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Post by comet on Aug 8, 2019 10:51:38 GMT -6
A lot of the reason for that is just that he will be bargain price, and the financial issues make buyout so hard to see happening. Also makes going into the market for a replacement not even as likely as usual to bring in a clear step up. Signs of turnaround should go further than normal. Also, can't ignore he really is a BSU guy which probably means he gets slack from fans who are pulling for him a bit more than the usual case. For sure lets be really honest if finances were not an issue we would probably be talking about a new coach this year
Agree, but there if we don't see improvement there could surely be support to make it happen. I don't think, when buyouts occur they actually occur out of standard monies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 10:51:47 GMT -6
I’ve said it before. Blue Light Special! Extend him for 5 years at reduced salary no matter what the record. We ain’t gonna get any better and Beth makes brownie points for the U by saving some coin.
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Post by comet on Aug 8, 2019 10:52:50 GMT -6
Let's just WIN 6 or so and not worry about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 8, 2019 11:01:04 GMT -6
A lot of the reason for that is just that he will be bargain price, and the financial issues make buyout so hard to see happening. Also makes going into the market for a replacement not even as likely as usual to bring in a clear step up. Signs of turnaround should go further than normal. Also, can't ignore he really is a BSU guy which probably means he gets slack from fans who are pulling for him a bit more than the usual case. For sure lets be really honest if finances were not an issue we would probably be talking about a new coach this year Yeah, football us a money pit. It becomes the norm to make very large expenditures as routine.
If he was doing well, we'd be under pressure to extend with a hefty raise, probably lose him anyway. Back in the market to replace him at what would be more than he gets now.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 8, 2019 11:05:18 GMT -6
For sure lets be really honest if finances were not an issue we would probably be talking about a new coach this year
Agree, but there if we don't see improvement there could surely be support to make it happen. I don't think, when buyouts occur they actually occur out of standard monies.
We are at a stage with finances where we are saying standard money isn't even there. And tapping big donors even it works while you are cutting everywhere else really creates problems. Is it waste? (probably, but under normal times considered SOP)
Could such money if it is raised be better used is now a much bigger question, gets more scrutiny.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 8, 2019 11:24:53 GMT -6
Agree, but there if we don't see improvement there could surely be support to make it happen. I don't think, when buyouts occur they actually occur out of standard monies.
We are at a stage with finances where we are saying standard money isn't even there. And tapping big donors even it works while you are cutting everywhere else really creates problems. Is it waste? (probably, but under normal times considered SOP)
Could such money if it is raised be better used is now a much bigger question, gets more scrutiny. The thing we sometimes forget is that some donors and sponsors etc only give monies to atheltics so hitting them up is easier especially if they are pissed
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 8, 2019 12:00:25 GMT -6
We are at a stage with finances where we are saying standard money isn't even there. And tapping big donors even it works while you are cutting everywhere else really creates problems. Is it waste? (probably, but under normal times considered SOP)
Could such money if it is raised be better used is now a much bigger question, gets more scrutiny. The thing we sometimes forget is that some donors and sponsors etc only give monies to atheltics so hitting them up is easier especially if they are pissed True, but not as true as you might think as the donors get old and are thinking of legacy. Being pissed makes them think of other things, not even at BSU, where they could leave the money.
Also, the evidence is that when pissed and the money is for salary they don't like having to do it. And it makes it harder the next time to hit them up. They pay but it costs you later.
When happy, things are rolling, and the pitch is brick and mortar, and when they are also flush is the easiest time. Like the stadium project where success was not a distant memory.
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Post by cbcjanney on Aug 9, 2019 12:26:36 GMT -6
While agreed that Neu coaching in the lame duck Year 5 of a 5-year contract without extension would be very bad for recruiting that one next class, I could for financial reasons see the University going that route. A MAC team can work around 1 dud recruiting class out of every 4 or 5 - we've dealt with that on the back end when a supposedly better recruiting class (initially) later ended up as a dud due to transfers, academics, lack of development, etc. as in... one senior starter or 3 seniors on the 2-deep. A scenario such as this year's team winning 5 or maybe even 4 games but bringing back 85%+ of starters the following year might be convincing enough that 7-8 wins could be in order in 2020 with existing players, overcoming the lame duck year true freshman class who wouldn't have contributed a great deal anyway during Year 5. Then you award a new 2 or 3-yr contract once that 7-8 win season is achieved. Just not sure the University can afford firing anyone before their contract is up. Maybe Neu agrees to work on a substantially reduced salary in Year 5 if that means keeping his job and possibly parlaying it into Years 6,7,8.
OR it could just come down to what a few influential donors want to do - so long as they have the money to allow or help BSU accomplish that desire.
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Post by comet on Aug 9, 2019 12:48:18 GMT -6
Problem there, cbc, is that this years class doesn't appear to be real strong at this point and then if you add to it another "lame duck" class next year we're likely right back at the bottom of things after the 7-8 win season that you're talking about.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 9, 2019 14:27:35 GMT -6
While agreed that Neu coaching in the lame duck Year 5 of a 5-year contract without extension would be very bad for recruiting that one next class, I could for financial reasons see the University going that route. A MAC team can work around 1 dud recruiting class out of every 4 or 5 - we've dealt with that on the back end when a supposedly better recruiting class (initially) later ended up as a dud due to transfers, academics, lack of development, etc. as in... one senior starter or 3 seniors on the 2-deep. A scenario such as this year's team winning 5 or maybe even 4 games but bringing back 85%+ of starters the following year might be convincing enough that 7-8 wins could be in order in 2020 with existing players, overcoming the lame duck year true freshman class who wouldn't have contributed a great deal anyway during Year 5. Then you award a new 2 or 3-yr contract once that 7-8 win season is achieved. Just not sure the University can afford firing anyone before their contract is up. Maybe Neu agrees to work on a substantially reduced salary in Year 5 if that means keeping his job and possibly parlaying it into Years 6,7,8. OR it could just come down to what a few influential donors want to do - so long as they have the money to allow or help BSU accomplish that desire. It could happen but this years recruiting class is shaping up to be a dud already now take another dud next year your asking for another empty cupboard
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Post by rgmillikan on Aug 9, 2019 15:25:27 GMT -6
My guess is Neu will either be extended or fired based on Ball State's bowl eligibility, and even if we barely scraped out a 6-7 type of season. My hope is that he gets extended if we meet that 6 win standard and bsu is one of the 2 most improved MAC teams this seaaon. Although my opinion has zero bearing on any decisions, given how disappointing last yr was after week 2, I need to see something yr 4 to be convinced Neu deserves 5 years and beyond since i'm currently skeptical.
I know Hoke was extended after a 5 win season but that BSU team went 5-3 in MAC and gave both Michigan and IU tough games. That was an unusual 5 win season. A typical 5-7 year should result in a new HC.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2019 15:42:19 GMT -6
Ah, "should."
BSU always can do, and then does that, right?
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Post by Bigfoot on Aug 9, 2019 16:34:48 GMT -6
We have “a lot of tools in the tool box” to get the job done this year and even next year.
The first three were tough ones to go through on a variety of fronts but I honestly think we will be a tough opponent and get some wins from teams that take us lightly!
I plan to catch a practice or two next week when I get to town from my home on Kentucky Lake and spend some quality time around the program.
My “gut feeling” about this years team is pretty positive and I want to dig into things in an attempt to verify the “gut feeling” - LOL.
One of my granddaughters is entering her Junior year and I will be helping her move into her apartment.
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