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Post by UHaveCardinalNv on Dec 3, 2019 21:12:02 GMT -6
Regression. And those two years our SOS was among worst in the country. I might be mistaken but I believe at least one of the two 21 win seasons includes wins from our illustrious CIT appearances.
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Post by rgmillikan on Dec 3, 2019 21:12:22 GMT -6
You can say KJ won’t make a difference but missing 10-12 points a game plus 7-8 rebounds is a lot! And, he likely is our best defender and a senior. You can say he has limited range and I’ll agree but to say he’s not missed in my view is just incorrect. I believe we’d have won at least a couple more with him on the floor. But, we’ll never know. Let’s see how we play with his return, fair? Fair, but I don't want to hear any excuses from you or 00 if they can't break .500 in the MAC in year 7.
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Post by universityjim on Dec 3, 2019 21:17:15 GMT -6
The lack of command coach has of this team is frustrating. Our passing is nonchalant, we drive to the basket on fast breaks with our heads down...leading to charges, and we neglect feeding the post. All of these aspects should be etched in our team’s mind as focal points, but yet they continue to bite us in the ass year in and year out. I’m ready for a change! We have no post. And Teague just does his own thing, especially when he’s frustrated. He’s trying to show out and all that. Whitford has no command of him. You beat me to it. I was going to say, "What post?"
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Post by redfeather on Dec 3, 2019 21:30:19 GMT -6
I agree. Loyola was the best team we have played. I know they have lost to some teams that are not wonderful, but that is a solid team and they are exceptionally well coached. Just think what a difference Krutwig would have made had we landed him. Whitford would probably be gone now and we'd probably have at least one MAC Championship out of this group. If we could somehow find a coach like Porter Moser it would be like Heaven. Northern Kentucky beat Miami tonight. I can sorta take the N. Kentucky loss because they had some nice players on the team that transferred in from power 5 conferences, but we should have been more developed as a team and should not lose to those teams on our home court period! But losing to W. Ill? No excuse! I don't care if KJ plays or not Ball State got punked by a school that they should have ran out of the gym!
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 3, 2019 21:33:22 GMT -6
You can say KJ won’t make a difference but missing 10-12 points a game plus 7-8 rebounds is a lot! And, he likely is our best defender and a senior. You can say he has limited range and I’ll agree but to say he’s not missed in my view is just incorrect. I believe we’d have won at least a couple more with him on the floor. But, we’ll never know. Let’s see how we play with his return, fair? Part of true depth is the ability to withstand an injury. So....where is that ability? Remember how you touted the depth? Way too many players on this roster are just uselessly squatting on scholarships. Depth is a weakness of this team....not a strength, as we were told. Just more bullshit to add to the pile.
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Post by proctorp on Dec 3, 2019 21:38:06 GMT -6
I left with 10 minutes left in the second half. No adjustments were noticed at the outset of the half nor have I witnessed any in seven years. No fundamentals, no real screening, and no discipline describe this trainwreck. I still am wondering why in the hell I renewed my tickets for this season. Seven years of the same old shit every game. If Whitford is still here next year I am done with BSU athletics. How anybody can defend this program is beyond me.
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 3, 2019 21:38:07 GMT -6
Truthfully, I would go for a midseason firing right now.
I know this isn't common at the collegiate level and that it rarely changes a team's level of play, but at least if it's still a shitshow, it'll be a slightly different shitshow.
Hand the keys to Grunk, or Botts, or Crenshaw. I don't care.
Preferably someone who shows a little fire so if the product on the court is still a snoozefest, at least there might be some entertainment value from watching the coach ream a few people.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 3, 2019 21:45:04 GMT -6
I agree with everything everyone has said but I was trying to come up with something to stir the pot.( I like to do that sometimes) I just cant find anything to really be positive about anything relating to basketball. I do not see a light at the end of the tunnel. If this year sucks as bad as looks like it will whats that say for the next couple years.. No one has shown much of anything I think Luke and Coleman can give us something but Im not sure why the rest of the newcombers are even on the roster
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 3, 2019 21:48:43 GMT -6
Truthfully, I would go for a midseason firing right now. I know this isn't common at the collegiate level and that it rarely changes a team's level of play, but at least if it's still a shitshow, it'll be a slightly different shitshow. Hand the keys to Grunk, or Botts, or Crenshaw. I don't care. Preferably someone who shows a little fire so if the product on the court is still a snoozefest, at least there might be some entertainment value from watching the coach ream a few people. Grunk would be fun he likes to yell and will get fired up at least. I noticed tonight loyolas coaches were always up yelling instruction you know coaching. Whit never really muttered a word, Grunk tried but whit told him to calm down lol
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 3, 2019 21:50:05 GMT -6
Recruiting has consequences.
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Post by UHaveCardinalNv on Dec 3, 2019 21:50:49 GMT -6
Recruiting has consequences. Not recruiting has consequences too.
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Post by proctorp on Dec 3, 2019 21:54:59 GMT -6
No coaching has even bigger consequences.
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Post by lmills72 on Dec 3, 2019 22:36:01 GMT -6
A bit off topic, but talking about coaches with fire, those lacking fire, those who've been or should be fired and those having some level of success ...
I decided to change up my regular seating for the last football game, spent the first half sitting behind the Miami fans on the opposite sideline. After BSU scored it's second TD of the day, Martin visited his defense on the bench and very plainly told them they were a "fu@k&%! embarrassment." Clearly loud enough for all Miami fans along with any administrators on the Miami sideline to hear.
I'm just doubting those words were ever uttered during one of Elson's whiteboard classrooms or during one of Whitford's analytical breakdowns or touchy-feely talks to rebuild his team's confidence. Further, I imagine that if they did use such words they'd probably be reprimanded or suspended.
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Dec 3, 2019 23:25:14 GMT -6
I truly never have seen nor heard a more incompetent college basketball coach than James Whitford. Everything about him just strikes me as someone who doesn't really love his job, but hey, it's a job, right? How many other coaches openly speak about their distaste for recruiting, to the point where they hide in California all offseason and wish their staff had more time off? How many coaches try to explain their aloofness as being "allergic to social media?" How many coaches have the patience to "talk their players through" free throw struggles, instead of just telling them to make the goddamn shots and punish them if they don't?
He hates recruiting, he hates talking and he's afraid to coach his players. Why the fuck is he working here?
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Post by cardfan on Dec 4, 2019 2:14:39 GMT -6
A bit off topic, but talking about coaches with fire, those lacking fire, those who've been or should be fired and those having some level of success ... I decided to change up my regular seating for the last football game, spent the first half sitting behind the Miami fans on the opposite sideline. After BSU scored it's second TD of the day, Martin visited his defense on the bench and very plainly told them they were a "fu@k&%! embarrassment." Clearly loud enough for all Miami fans along with any administrators on the Miami sideline to hear. I'm just doubting those words were ever uttered during one of Elson's whiteboard classrooms or during one of Whitford's analytical breakdowns or touchy-feely talks to rebuild his team's confidence. Further, I imagine that if they did use such words they'd probably be reprimanded or suspended. Mike totally lit the defense up, including the curse word you highlight, after the comedy of stupid penalty errors and poor behavior vs Cmu. He in no uncertain terms told them to get their shit together and stop the idiocy.
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