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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 17:57:44 GMT -6
To help offset program costs, I think the baseball program should charge for admission to games. I'm not talking a large amount. $5 or $7 a game is still well work the entertainment value.
I don't know of a high school program in Indiana that doesn't at least charge $5 per game. Even the summer travel team tournaments are charging $5 to $10 to watch the games. The parents and baseball fans have been conditioned to pay to watch baseball games. Students still would attend for free each game.
Ten years ago, Purdue and IU were both charging $5 per game to watch games in what could be considering large "high school quality" facilities. Since the construction of Alexander Field at Purdue, and Kaufmann Stadium at IU, Purdue charges $5 for grandstands ($2 for kids) and $8 for chairback seats, and IU is still charging $5 per adult and $2 per kid.
In the MAC, here are the other programs that charge admission: Central Michigan - $6 adult $5 kids; Ohio - $5 everyone; Kent State - $5 everyone
Other Indiana D1 programs: Notre Dame - $5.00 adult, $3.00 kids; Indiana State - $4 (on 1st base line general admission), $10-$12 (behind home plate); Evansville - $7 adults, $5 Senior Citizens, $5 kids.
Other local programs that have been in the NCAA baseball tourney in recent years: Wright State - $5 adults $3 kids.
If you notice, each of these programs has been competitive in their respective conferences and some have been in the NCAA tournament over the past 5 to 7 years. Not that there is a distinct correlation, I think having this revenue stream does help reduce stress on each program, and does allow it to focus on performance.
In 2015, there were 21 game dates at First Merchants Ballpark. Smallest attendance was 187; largest was 589; average is 332. In 2016, there were 18 game dates, smallest attendance was 125; largest was 630; average is 297. This year, there have been 12 game dates, with 7 game dates planned. Smallest attendance is 152; largest is 434; average is 260. From observing attendance, I estimate 50% are students, and 50% are potential ticket purchasers.
Attendance is heavily impacted by weather, causing low attendance, cancellations, and rolling two dates in one due to make-up doubleheaders.
Based on those numbers, I'd estimate that if we charge $5 per person, we could have raised $17,430 in 2015; $13,365 in 2016; and potentially $12,350 for 2017, $43,145 over three years. This is money for repairs and improvements to the facility, equipment or other program needs.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 30, 2017 19:14:33 GMT -6
You cant even go watch slow pitch softball without paying 3 bucks a person..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:40:16 GMT -6
Agree. We pay 8 at ECU and UNC Wilmington. Coastal Carolina is 10. I think Wofford was a "freebie".
now that I think about it, we even paid 5 at Mt. Olive College to watch the Cards play VB last year.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 30, 2017 22:21:34 GMT -6
If we had larger attendance, I'd support idea.
Put money into designated improvements, not general fund.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 22:55:36 GMT -6
If we had larger attendance, I'd support idea. Put money into designated improvements, not general fund. Why does that matter? We have to start somewhere. Seriously, folks already pay $5 a game for HS baseball. Obviously, this is much higher quality entertainment.
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Post by frozenbaugh on May 1, 2017 5:42:42 GMT -6
You cant even go watch slow pitch softball without paying 3 bucks a person.. I had never thought about it that way but that is a good point.
Although, I don't think anyone has ever paid $3 to see my Scott Rolen impression at 3rd base.
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2017 6:07:29 GMT -6
If we had larger attendance, I'd support idea. Put money into designated improvements, not general fund. Why does that matter? We have to start somewhere. Seriously, folks already pay $5 a game for HS baseball. Obviously, this is much higher quality entertainment. Low interest already. Raising prices not likely to increase it. Not much payoff after expenses especially if attendance drops. You do have small captive audience of visiting team, but less than HS baseball where opponent usually local, and you would be charging team family and friends. Worth the trouble?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 7:58:38 GMT -6
Why does that matter? We have to start somewhere. Seriously, folks already pay $5 a game for HS baseball. Obviously, this is much higher quality entertainment. Low interest already. Raising prices not likely to increase it. Not much payoff after expenses especially if attendance drops. You do have small captive audience of visiting team, but less than HS baseball where opponent usually local, and you would be charging team family and friends. Worth the trouble? Low interest? You think paying $5 to watch D1 baseball is going to turn people away? They are already paying to wtach HS baseball and travel team tournament games. They are already used to it. Getting in for free is just a perk to the baseball fans. $5 is nothing for quality baseball.
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2017 8:39:20 GMT -6
Low interest? You think paying $5 to watch D1 baseball is going to turn people away? They are already paying to wtach HS baseball and travel team tournament games. They are already used to it. Getting in for free is just a perk to the baseball fans. $5 is nothing for quality baseball. No question that if you looked at it from a value point of view, a small charge to the real baseball fan is probably worth it. With our scheduling in unpredictable Spring weather, often cold, even wet and windy, and with little shelter, the attendance we get is impressive even though pretty low. It proves the value to a baseball fan. Still. The interest in college baseball indicated by 260 fans showing up on average, with half being students, and some number accompanying the visitor, means this is not now a good candidate to be a revenue sport. Not now. How we build by charging for something relatively few people show up for now, is the issue. The secret to minor league baseball making money is selling fan experience, and that is all about entertainment other than just baseball, about beer and concessions that are enjoyed even when overpriced, about promotions, fun activity for kids, group sales, attractive game dates, and lots of games in good weather. We have not much going in any of those departments now. So we can hypothesize we are attracting the purist baseball fans who can see some good players for the good value, some of the die hard BSU loyal alumni and friends of the University, and of course families and friends of our visiting teams and our own teams. Except for charging visitors, I am not that excited about charging any of those groups right now. The attraction to local families with kids interested in baseball is a potential source of attendance growth, but, again many of those families are going to go to the HS games and pay admission, not sure how much is in the budget for us to get if we charge too. The number of local "pure" baseball fans without a minor league team to support, and looking at the value of the ticket in those terms, that, I'd have to see some marketing research on. Besides, I like the idea of giving perks to the fans who are loyal supporters. I'd rather expand attendance, make money selling concessions and directly making the fan experience a good one. I'd give a try at building the crowds with free admission(or perhaps even a lower than 5$ charge, whatever is required to cover additional costs for promotion), and see what the potential is to fill the stands completely before I'd start trying to milk relatively modest revenue. We would make a relatively small profit and I am not sure we wouldn't be better off long run, printing and distributing "free" tickets and trying to build fan base, than trying to "cash in" now.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 1, 2017 9:30:03 GMT -6
You cant even go watch slow pitch softball without paying 3 bucks a person.. I had never thought about it that way but that is a good point.
Although, I don't think anyone has ever paid $3 to see my Scott Rolen impression at 3rd base.
Man Chicks dig the long ball even if they are dead ball outs
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 9:32:26 GMT -6
Low interest? You think paying $5 to watch D1 baseball is going to turn people away? They are already paying to wtach HS baseball and travel team tournament games. They are already used to it. Getting in for free is just a perk to the baseball fans. $5 is nothing for quality baseball. No question that if you looked at it from a value point of view, a small charge to the real baseball fan is probably worth it. With our scheduling in unpredictable Spring weather, often cold, even wet and windy, and with little shelter, the attendance we get is impressive even though pretty low. It proves the value to a baseball fan. Still. The interest in college baseball indicated by 260 fans showing up on average, with half being students, and some number accompanying the visitor, means this is not now a good candidate to be a revenue sport. Not now. How we build by charging for something relatively few people show up for now, is the issue. The secret to minor league baseball making money is selling fan experience, and that is all about entertainment other than just baseball, about beer and concessions that are enjoyed even when overpriced, about promotions, fun activity for kids, group sales, attractive game dates, and lots of games in good weather. We have not much going in any of those departments now. So we can hypothesize we are attracting the purist baseball fans who can see some good players for the good value, some of the die hard BSU loyal alumni and friends of the University, and of course families and friends of our visiting teams and our own teams. Except for charging visitors, I am not that excited about charging any of those groups right now. The attraction to local families with kids interested in baseball is a potential source of attendance growth, but, again many of those families are going to go to the HS games and pay admission, not sure how much is in the budget for us to get if we charge too. The number of local "pure" baseball fans without a minor league team to support, and looking at the value of the ticket in those terms, that, I'd have to see some marketing research on. Besides, I like the idea of giving perks to the fans who are loyal supporters. I'd rather expand attendance, make money selling concessions and directly making the fan experience a good one. I'd give a try at building the crowds with free admission(or perhaps even a lower than 5$ charge, whatever is required to cover additional costs for promotion), and see what the potential is to fill the stands completely before I'd start trying to milk relatively modest revenue. We would make a relatively small profit and I am not sure we wouldn't be better off long run, printing and distributing "free" tickets and trying to build fan base, than trying to "cash in" now. Wrong answer. Whether it be $17k, $13k or $12k of revenue stream, we need revenue stream to offset the costs of maintaining our current facility. This is not minor league ball. This is the next step after HS ball, and folks are willing to pay $5 to watch HS ball. People also know that there is a cost to maintaining facilities. They get it. They don't mind paying $5. BTW - Indiana State is drawing between 400 and 1,600 per game date at Bob Warn Field. They charge $4 minimum and $10 to $12 for chairback seats behind homeplate.
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Post by Chi-town northsider on May 1, 2017 10:53:59 GMT -6
The only time Indiana State draws over 1000 fans is when they get IU, which is less then an hour away. It was 80 degrees in Terre Haute when they played Purdue, it was 40 in Muncie when we played them. They also have some visiting teams that travel well, especially Southern Illinois. What we need mainly is lights. Students would definitely show up in better numbers.People could come to the ballpark after work. ISU's best attendance is almost always Friday night. The other thing is beer sales. If any of you went to the Purdue game you saw how packed it was. $2 Tuesday's was a hit.
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Post by cardfan on May 1, 2017 11:32:44 GMT -6
The only time Indiana State draws over 1000 fans is when they get IU, which is less then an hour away. It was 80 degrees in Terre Haute when they played Purdue, it was 40 in Muncie when we played them. They also have some visiting teams that travel well, especially Southern Illinois. What we need mainly is lights. Students would definitely show up in better numbers.People could come to the ballpark after work. ISU's best attendance is almost always Friday night. The other thing is beer sales. If any of you went to the Purdue game you saw how packed it was. $2 Tuesday's was a hit. I agree on lights. I thought it was a huge mistake not to be sure to include lights in the rennovation. (a video board woulda been good too) But, I'm not too sure how much input Rich was allowed to have in the planning.....
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on May 1, 2017 11:58:07 GMT -6
I agree and Also don't understand the non-inclusion of the lights with the renovation
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2017 12:17:23 GMT -6
I agree and Also don't understand the non-inclusion of the lights with the renovation $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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