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Post by 00hmh on Jul 7, 2017 12:29:25 GMT -6
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Post by Chi-town northsider on Jul 9, 2017 10:13:48 GMT -6
If he plays his best performing players, not just ones on scholarship, he'll have a chance to improve over last year. I don't have much faith in that though.
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Post by Bigfoot on Jul 15, 2017 10:53:23 GMT -6
If he plays his best performing players, not just ones on scholarship, he'll have a chance to improve over last year. I don't have much faith in that though. Not sure I understand so you are suggesting he doesn't play his best players (whether on scholarship or not)? That is counterintuitive and certainly not in his or the teams best interest. |
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Post by Chi-town northsider on Jul 15, 2017 15:17:25 GMT -6
The problem I have responding to this is I don't want to throw any kid under a bus. So I don't want to name anyone. If you watched the last 2 years he had a player that wasn't ready but he made sure he started every game. He got "hurt" both years and is now playing JC. That kid was scholarship and his father was friends with Maloney.
This past season the scholarship player was supposedly good enough to be drafted out of HS. He didn't play remotely as well as a few that also were on the bench but played much more.
It will be interesting what happens at catcher and the corner infield spots this year.
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Post by redbirdman on Jul 15, 2017 17:00:32 GMT -6
Does anyone see us picking up any players from Buffalo?They had three pitchers & 2 hitters who I think could help us.Ben Haefner the ss hit .326 & Philip Tomasulo rf .282. Three right handed pitchers who are their best were Ben Vey who had a 4.82 era 1-2 record in 26 games,Logan Harasta 3.63 era 1-3 record in 21 games & Shawn Dubin 5-4 in 14 starts with a 5.65 era. Probably the biggest problem in taking any of them is they only have a year left.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 15, 2017 17:18:58 GMT -6
Did we recruit any of them? Do any have ties to Indiana or Midwest? If not I doubt any would have any interest in coming all the way to Indiana to play out one year
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Post by cardfan on Jul 15, 2017 18:14:29 GMT -6
I had heard we were interested in one of their pitchers but I don't know that anything came of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 19:01:39 GMT -6
Did we recruit any of them? Do any have ties to Indiana or Midwest? If not I doubt any would have any interest in coming all the way to Indiana to play out one year ....as a national power, I doubt any of them would be up to our new standards. Just sayin' |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 15, 2017 20:14:49 GMT -6
Hey man let the dreamers dream... I already have my tickets purchased for Omaha
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Post by cbcjanney on Jul 16, 2017 10:28:43 GMT -6
If he plays his best performing players, not just ones on scholarship, he'll have a chance to improve over last year. I don't have much faith in that though. Not sure I understand so you are suggesting he doesn't play his best players (whether on scholarship or not)? That is counterintuitive and certainly not in his or the teams best interest. This is a frequent occurrence in college baseball. It's not like football or basketball where every player is on a full scholarship. Maloney has 11.7 full-equivalency scholarships to allocate to about 27 players even though 35-ish are usually on the roster. Rarely will baseballer get a full scholarship but on some D-1 teams there may be one player who does. More typical is that some players get 1/2 and others get 1/3, 1/4 etc. while a good number of players on the roster are getting no $$ assistance. Players may or may not know how much their fellow teammates are getting, but coaches often will try to justify their allocation decisions by seeing to it that they guys getting the most money are the ones getting the most playing time (whether deserved or in some cases not deserved). In any event, if someone getting 1/4 or nothing is getting more playing time and/or outperforming someone getting 1/2 scholarship, it might indicate the head coach misjudged where the money should've went or that someone should be getting more $ next year or pulling $ away from someone next season. It's a math-juggling exercise in that some coaches will try to spread their 11.7 such that about 18 guys get 1/2 scholarships but players 19-35 are getting almost nothing (which gives little depth considering probably 5-6 of those 18 would be pitcher-only) while other coaches will spread the scholarships more thinly by giving 27 guys roughly 1/3 which provides more depth but hurts getting better recruits in cases where BSU might offer 1/3 but another MAC school offers 1/2. Nothing unique to BSU but dealt with by all NCAA baseball programs. - but yes you often hear complaints/remarks that college baseball coaches are not always playing the best performers in favor of the ones getting the higher scholarships. Remember too, it's a sport that includes a lot of failure - people who only get hits 1/3 of the time are considered excellent hitters and striking out once every other game might be normal. Everybody's also used to losing a lot of games - all but like 5 MLB teams currently have winning %s between .430 and .588 so it's not like NCAA or any level baseball teams expect to win every game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:34:43 GMT -6
Not sure I understand so you are suggesting he doesn't play his best players (whether on scholarship or not)? That is counterintuitive and certainly not in his or the teams best interest. Remember too, it's a sport that includes a lot of failure - people who only get hits 1/3 of the time are considered excellent hitters and striking out once every other game might be normal. This is why I have such low self esteem... |
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Post by Chi-town northsider on Jul 17, 2017 19:14:21 GMT -6
Not sure I understand so you are suggesting he doesn't play his best players (whether on scholarship or not)? That is counterintuitive and certainly not in his or the teams best interest. This is a frequent occurrence in college baseball. It's not like football or basketball where every player is on a full scholarship. Maloney has 11.7 full-equivalency scholarships to allocate to about 27 players even though 35-ish are usually on the roster. Rarely will baseballer get a full scholarship but on some D-1 teams there may be one player who does. More typical is that some players get 1/2 and others get 1/3, 1/4 etc. while a good number of players on the roster are getting no $$ assistance. Players may or may not know how much their fellow teammates are getting, but coaches often will try to justify their allocation decisions by seeing to it that they guys getting the most money are the ones getting the most playing time (whether deserved or in some cases not deserved). In any event, if someone getting 1/4 or nothing is getting more playing time and/or outperforming someone getting 1/2 scholarship, it might indicate the head coach misjudged where the money should've went or that someone should be getting more $ next year or pulling $ away from someone next season. It's a math-juggling exercise in that some coaches will try to spread their 11.7 such that about 18 guys get 1/2 scholarships but players 19-35 are getting almost nothing (which gives little depth considering probably 5-6 of those 18 would be pitcher-only) while other coaches will spread the scholarships more thinly by giving 27 guys roughly 1/3 which provides more depth but hurts getting better recruits in cases where BSU might offer 1/3 but another MAC school offers 1/2. Nothing unique to BSU but dealt with by all NCAA baseball programs. - but yes you often hear complaints/remarks that college baseball coaches are not always playing the best performers in favor of the ones getting the higher scholarships. Remember too, it's a sport that includes a lot of failure - people who only get hits 1/3 of the time are considered excellent hitters and striking out once every other game might be normal. Everybody's also used to losing a lot of games - all but like 5 MLB teams currently have winning %s between .430 and .588 so it's not like NCAA or any level baseball teams expect to win every game. Thanks for explaining that so much better then I did. I do believe Maloney plays scholarship players more, because he has to show he can judge talent. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 17, 2017 19:56:27 GMT -6
I don't get this argument. Is there something about scholarship split I don't know. Educate me.
Players would know the guys are under performing. This would not hide bad judgment very well. Who is he fooling? How does he gain anything by this strategy?
Let me suggest an alternative explanation. If a coach backs his judgement up by playing the guys he gave the scholarship to, that would have the same visible result. Much different motive. I respect a coach who says this is a guy who can play and gives him the chance to prove it. And then there is just simple error in judgement. He was wrong but stuck to his guns.
Players would understand either. But. If the coach continues to "go with his judgment" made before the year started, and after the proof is in that he is mistaken, why not reallocate PT right away, and the next year reallocate scholarship money? Why would he not want to do that at some point, even if bullheaded and in error. How does he gain by what is suggested here?
He alienates players and isn't fooling anybody, AND he is judged by the AD on results. Assume he fooled the AD with this lame theory that his PT allocation was the best possible because it matches his preconceived scholarship split? Claiming he played the right players is going to get him fired if he doesn't win games.
If this is an elaborate fraud it appears to me to be bonehead error. Don't see how it works. Help me understand how the coach can fool everyone like you say.
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Post by Chi-town northsider on Jul 18, 2017 2:55:39 GMT -6
I don't get this argument. Is there something about scholarship split I don't know. Educate me. Players would know the guys are under performing. This would not hide bad judgment very well. Who is he fooling? How does he gain anything by this strategy? Let me suggest an alternative explanation. If a coach backs his judgement up by playing the guys he gave the scholarship to, that would have the same visible result. Much different motive. I respect a coach who says this is a guy who can play and gives him the chance to prove it. And then there is just simple error in judgement. He was wrong but stuck to his guns. Players would understand either. But. If the coach continues to "go with his judgment" made before the year started, and after the proof is in that he is mistaken, why not reallocate PT right away, and the next year reallocate scholarship money? Why would he not want to do that at some point, even if bullheaded and in error. How does he gain by what is suggested here? He alienates players and isn't fooling anybody, AND he is judged by the AD on results. Assume he fooled the AD with this lame theory that his PT allocation was the best possible because it matches his preconceived scholarship split? Claiming he played the right players is going to get him fired if he doesn't win games. If this is an elaborate fraud it appears to me to be bonehead error. Don't see how it works. Help me understand how the coach can fool everyone like you say. The players did see it last year. All you had to do was look at Ball State's bench and the other teams. No cheering on our bench while other teams were chirping constantly. The starting 8 was the starting 8. Only exception was if someone was hurt. Look at the stats of other teams. You definitely have your guys that will start the majority of the games, as it should be they earned it. You also see the guys who are mostly bench players get starts in non-conference games. This keeps the other guys involved and the starters rested in games that dont matter as much as the conference games.Not BSU, if you aren't one of the 8, you don't play. Tough on guys to continually come to the park with no chance to play (even when a starter was hitting .125 for 3 weeks and fielding under .900, which happened). During that streak that player didn't sit a lick and didn't move out of the top 3 in the lineup. Now do you think every player on the team didn't see that? |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 18, 2017 6:15:14 GMT -6
I get you think coach handled PT wrong, still don't get the explanation about scholarships.
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