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Butler
Dec 31, 2017 7:53:49 GMT -6
Post by steve on Dec 31, 2017 7:53:49 GMT -6
Maybe I am over analyzing this thought that came to me. At first, I hated the fact that Butler moved up to the Big East, but now I feel it has benefitted the recruiting of Ball State. Would Butler offered some of the current Ball State roster?, if still in the Horizon league? I think Butler has 3-4 players from Indiana, currently. I feel they are recruiting more national now, which opens the door for Ball State.
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Post by officerfarva on Dec 31, 2017 8:16:24 GMT -6
In my opinion, Ball State and Butler are in such completely different basketball universes at this point that there's not much Butler does that has any sort of downstream effect on BSU. They caught lightning in a bottle a while back and rode it to unimaginable heights by making the right hiring decisions at every possible turn.
Meanwhile, we had Tom Collins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 8:31:27 GMT -6
In my opinion, Ball State and Butler are in such completely different basketball universes at this point that there's not much Butler does that has any sort of downstream effect on BSU. They caught lightning in a bottle a while back and rode it to unimaginable heights by making the right hiring decisions at every possible turn. Meanwhile, we had Tom Collins. Dude, with all due respect. You can't blame this on Tom Collins. The poor decisions were made almost entirely by Jo Ann Gora and her dimwitted husband Roy Budd. Tom was just their marionette.
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Post by bsu0 on Dec 31, 2017 8:45:33 GMT -6
I admire the job Butler has done with respect to basketball. Take yesterday for example. True national television on CBS. Plays #1 Villanova. Beats #1 Villanova. Packed Hinkle Field House, what a setting with great energy. Young coach that seems to be doing the job that previous coaches have started. If you were a recruit and you saw that two hours yesterday on the tube it would make you want to take a HARD look at that program. I tip my hat to the Buttdogs and say job well done. I wish them all the success in the world. Tony Hinkle is smiling somewhere.
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Butler
Dec 31, 2017 9:15:11 GMT -6
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Post by officerfarva on Dec 31, 2017 9:15:11 GMT -6
In my opinion, Ball State and Butler are in such completely different basketball universes at this point that there's not much Butler does that has any sort of downstream effect on BSU. They caught lightning in a bottle a while back and rode it to unimaginable heights by making the right hiring decisions at every possible turn. Meanwhile, we had Tom Collins. Dude, with all due respect. You can't blame this on Tom Collins. The poor decisions were made almost entirely by Jo Ann Gora and her dimwitted husband Roy Budd. Tom was just their marionette. A very fair point. It would have been a more complete thought if I'd said we had JAG, who saddled us with Tom Collins. But yes, JAG was certainly the root of the problem.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2017 10:15:02 GMT -6
In my opinion, Ball State and Butler are in such completely different basketball universes at this point that there's not much Butler does that has any sort of downstream effect on BSU. They caught lightning in a bottle a while back and rode it to unimaginable heights by making the right hiring decisions at every possible turn. Meanwhile, we had Tom Collins. There were critical mistakes that were earlier. I think Hunsaker had a chance to be a legend here. And, the real window we had was open maybe as late as hiring Buckley. After that, we were going up hill to get back. We had been lucky with a cheap hire in Ray, there came a time we couldn't just hire a former assistant, needed to invest. JAG did indeed nearly kill us with Ronnie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 10:24:56 GMT -6
Dude, with all due respect. You can't blame this on Tom Collins. The poor decisions were made almost entirely by Jo Ann Gora and her dimwitted husband Roy Budd. Tom was just their marionette. A very fair point. It would have been a more complete thought if I'd said we had JAG, who saddled us with Tom Collins. But yes, JAG was certainly the root of the problem. No, Jo Ann and her husband were actually making the athletic department hires. Collins couldn't stand Ronnie Thompson and they were barely on speaking terms the entire time Thompson was in Muncie. Thompson was essentially hired by Roy Budd, as was Stan Parrish. Jo Ann hired Collins because she wanted a lackey who would toe the line and allow her husband ( with an assist from the BOT) to run the show. Ball State under Gora was a complete f--king mess.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Dec 31, 2017 15:42:04 GMT -6
I remember a community function in March 2006 that Roy attended and he was hinting to anyone listening, "we've got big news coming." Flash ahead a couple weeks and that big news turned out to be Ronny T. Fresh off winning the news cycle for a day or so, Ronny torched the program within 8 months.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 15:50:23 GMT -6
Butler is the dominant state program the last 20 years. They had a vision and followed through on it. Except for offspring of BobbyKnight’s reign of terror, I can’t imagine any Hoosier basketball wannabe desiring to play for any other program in the state if they had the chance.
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Post by steve on Dec 31, 2017 16:48:33 GMT -6
My point was, since Butler is recruiting on a more national level, I feel we are getting recruits that would of went to butler, while they were in the horizon league.
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Post by redfeather on Dec 31, 2017 21:29:54 GMT -6
Dude, with all due respect. You can't blame this on Tom Collins. The poor decisions were made almost entirely by Jo Ann Gora and her dimwitted husband Roy Budd. Tom was just their marionette. A very fair point. It would have been a more complete thought if I'd said we had JAG, who saddled us with Tom Collins. But yes, JAG was certainly the root of the problem. Nope! This downhill spiral all started with the "WAD" not the "JAD"! She all but totally ignored the football team and men's BB team. We never climbed out of that pile of crap!
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Butler
Jan 1, 2018 7:08:15 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 1, 2018 7:08:15 GMT -6
Investing in the Women's programs was probably necessary, inevitable, even desirable. College sports was changing.
The penny pinching and nit picking with basketball, given our our opportunity at that time, and the administration, not just AD, neglecting conscious strategic decisions with football and basketball, was a disaster in the making.
Several ADs, Presidents share blame.
Then with the big money realities taking complete hold we were cooked. Failed coaches, paying them off, hurt. Unimaginative penny pinching, or outright disaster with Ronnie, when we needed to act decisively has been a theme.
After Ronnie, I am generally sympathetic, options were severely limited. Basketball has some chances after our decades of suffering. Not sure now we're not caught up in football fighting just to survive in some great college football reorganization.
We will need AD, BOT, and President to make some critical decisions in the next 5 years or so. Cannot do what we did historically.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 1, 2018 8:33:50 GMT -6
No confidence in that group making GOOD critical decisions.
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Butler
Jan 1, 2018 9:05:13 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 1, 2018 9:05:13 GMT -6
No confidence in that group making GOOD critical decisions. I fear some of the decisions will be in the category of no good choices. I am open minded about Mearns, and our AD is finally working for a President with some interest in sports. The old Ball State crew and the Board and it's President is the biggest variable. I guess I agree that I am not filled with confidence about all the stars aligning.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 1, 2018 9:15:54 GMT -6
Mearns does have interest in athletics, at least.
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