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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:44:26 GMT -6
No what we are saying is this programs adult leadership sucks. Whether ANY leadership could solve the problems for mid major sports programs and funding is also questionable. Blah, Blah, Blah...................It's a systemic issue with no answer......................Blah, Blah, Blah...................... No wonder you teach for a living, if you would have given me an answer like that I would have fired you on the spot. Your answer to every issue is more funding, as if spending more money on the same fucked-up process or employees solves a problem. Whom had more funding available twenty years ago Butler, Valpo, Xavier, or Ball State ? Who is still doing the same half-assed job of hiring, marketing, planning and prioritizing ? Your head is so far up your butt. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 22, 2018 11:49:11 GMT -6
No I’m pretty much saying they’re either gonna get their heads out of their asses and start playing like they can, immediately, or they’ll just continue to be meh and finish around .500 in the Mac and go quietly in the first game of the tourney. And it is a fragile team. How many times after games does Whitford have to question how they respond to adversity in a game? Or their communication? That ain’t about fans. Fans just see the same ol same ol happening again. Been blown out in 3 Mac losses in 6 games. You can’t be non competitive in 3 of 6 league games while supposedly being a contender and not be fragile. The beat writer is also questioning thus team. He’s not one of us on here. Not everything can or should be spun. Yep when the beat writer starts sounding like the message board... Its a bad day |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2018 11:54:05 GMT -6
Whether ANY leadership could solve the problems for mid major sports programs and funding is also questionable. Blah, Blah, Blah...................It's a systemic issue with no answer......................Blah, Blah, Blah...................... No wonder you teach for a living, I would have given me an answer like that I would have fired you on the spot. No idea what you are saying. There are in fact long term systemic issues. And. Leadership is only one factor in solving any problem. Respond to that reality. Don't pretend all good leaders always succeed and all problems are solvable. I am sure your good BSU teachers and your good training must have taught you that at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:57:23 GMT -6
Blah, Blah, Blah...................It's a systemic issue with no answer......................Blah, Blah, Blah...................... No wonder you teach for a living, I would have given me an answer like that I would have fired you on the spot. No idea what you are saying. I don't doubt that for one second. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 22, 2018 12:01:17 GMT -6
I am not saying tomorrow is do or die. I’m saying tomorrow has to be the start of being the team and program they are supposed to be now. We could lose tomorrow but still show life IF we play with passion and fight and do the things the coach says we failed to do in the Miami game.
We could win but still be a lethargic slopfest looking like we don’t care and then get blown out the next game. That’s what I mean.
You don’t wait another 6 games to show something, you start TODAY if you really want it.
Always so many excuses and rationalizations and “it’s just how it is at bsu”. If that’s the case why bother?
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2018 12:28:16 GMT -6
I am not saying tomorrow is do or die. I’m saying tomorrow has to be the start of being the team and program they are supposed to be now. We could lose tomorrow but still show life IF we play with passion and fight and do the things the coach says we failed to do in the Miami game. That is quite a bit different post, one I can agree with! |
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 22, 2018 12:31:24 GMT -6
Sitting at 3-3 has me neither excited nor ready to jump off the ledge. I do think the nature of our losses is particularly disturbing. I guess we are about where I thought we would be and I still think we are a 10-8 type of team. Maybe 9-9 or 12-6. Not sure how things will shake out but this group doesn't pass the eye test for me as a championship squad. There are so many factors that go into winning a title. Athletic, consistent, balanced, adaptable, tough and typically great leadership especially from your guards. We can be most of these on any given night I guess but some of these traits just aren't in our DNA on a night in and night out basis.
BTW, I went to the Miami game Saturday and all I can say is ugh. As brutal as it must have been on TV, it was worse in the flesh. Plus Millett Hall just has the feel of a morgue. I swear there couldn't have been more than 1,000 people there. It was like a bad high school game and every opportunity to shoot ourselves in the foot we obliged. Sadly, I thought we got out-coached again and once the wheels started to wobble our mechanics just scratched their head and checked the tire pressure. Again, ugh.
Oh well, if we beat Kent all will be forgiven. Let's pray for a mongolian reversal.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2018 12:33:22 GMT -6
We could lose tomorrow but still show life IF we play with passion and fight and do the things the coach says we failed to do in the Miami game. We could win but still be a lethargic slopfest looking like we don’t care and then get blown out the next game. It seems to me fairly obvious that losing Walker was a greater blow than we expected, and also that we certainly didn't see Persons play well in this last game, and whether injury or mid season malaise accounts for that, he is the engine that drives us along with Sellers and other seniors which you did mention as factors. No offense to those guys, but none of those seniors are the high energy leaders we probably need. And without Francis stepping up, we have not seen what Walker apparently provided which included more offensive punch and a reliable contributor. Sure, if the mercurial Tyler shows, we are fine. The reasons I see a difference with this team is depth and youth combined with some established good players who can come back as the season goes on. I do think I missed how much Walker provided even though I have been fairly high on him. Probably too worried about inside play... I like the attitude of Ish who is calm and collected most of the time, well except when he has just made a bonehead freshman move, both consistent with his after all being a freshman but a pretty good one. But he is no way the guy who can lead. Not this year anyway. I really like his potential down the line, he's going to be a good one. Needs a running mate who can score in a variety of ways which he will have in Acree, Coleman. Maller's leadership by example and that of Sellers and Mos es all combined can help carry us in a bad game by Persons, but in college basketball guard play is awfully important(Dare I say as important or more important than inside play?), they have the ball make decisions. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2018 12:36:50 GMT -6
No idea what you are saying. I don't doubt that for one second. Empty and unresponsive, not pithy. But it does improve on the earlier post as at least being grammatical and coherent empty personal attack. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 12:41:43 GMT -6
I don't doubt that for one second. Empty and unresponsive, not pithy. But it does improve on the earlier post as at least being grammatical and coherent empty personal attack. Do you not blame funding for every problem discussed on this board ? |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2018 12:56:20 GMT -6
Empty and unresponsive, not pithy. But it does improve on the earlier post as at least being grammatical and coherent empty personal attack. Do you not blame funding for every problem discussed on this board ? Gee, maybe economics is irrelevant but I don't think so. Yes, I say it is almost always a factor. And I don't think we can ever turn the clock back, which seems to be the alternative solution many propose. Too much is different about the environment, including the economic and demographic environment for mid major sports. You can point some real mismanagement in our history, but that really doesn't mean our current managers are entirely to blame for not solving the problems created, or that was the sole cause, and certainly can't claim money doesn't really count in this case... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:10:04 GMT -6
Do you not blame funding for every problem discussed on this board ? Gee, maybe economics is irrelevant but I don't think so. Yes, I say it is almost always a factor. As if Economics and " lack of funding" are even remotely the same thing. I am not going to waste time reading the rest of your post. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2018 14:07:05 GMT -6
Gee, maybe economics is irrelevant but I don't think so. Yes, I say it is almost always a factor. As if Economics and " lack of funding" are even remotely the same thing. I am not going to waste time reading the rest of your post. Sure. Economics is irrelevant to where the money goes... No surprise you post conclusions without reading what anybody else thinks. |
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 22, 2018 14:36:00 GMT -6
I have had enough out of you two ^. Now the both of you be quiet for the next fifty miles until you can be nice to the other. I am telling you for the last time DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR AND CRAWL INTO THE BACK SEAT!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 22, 2018 15:15:34 GMT -6
I have had enough out of you two ^. Now the both of you be quiet for the next fifty miles until you can be nice to the other. I am telling you for the last time DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR AND CRAWL INTO THE BACK SEAT! I wonder if they can ever be friends as they get older |
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