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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 22, 2018 20:01:15 GMT -6
I hate Western and just want to kick their asses..
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Post by cardfan on Feb 22, 2018 20:26:25 GMT -6
I hate Western and just want to kick their asses.. Yes.
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Post by reevo on Feb 22, 2018 21:05:43 GMT -6
Just for shits and giggles, let compare the 01-02 team statistically:
FG Pct:
01-02. 617-1246. 49% 17-18. 757-1665. 45%
3pt FG Pct:
01-02. 310-815. 38% 17-18. 222-648. 34%
FT Pct: 01-02. 557-752. 75% 17-18. 405-563. 72%
Pts
01-02. 78 pts per game. Gave up 71.9. 6.1 diff. 17-18. 76.5. Pts per game. Gave up 73.5 3 diff
01-02 Starting Line up
Patrick Jackson. 16.6 pts. 46% FG. 43% 3FG. 81 FT%. 3.5 asst. 1.4 st. T.O.M 2.5
Chris Williams. 15.9 pts. 43%FG. 40%3FG. 81FT%. 1.3 asst. 1 st. T.O.M. 1.4
Lonnie Jones. 8 Pts. 58%FG. 52% FT. 6.4 Rebs. 2.6 Blks
Theron Smith. 19.6 Pts. 51%FG. 39%3FG. 11 Rebs. 1.4 asst. 1.2 st
Robert Owens. 5 pts. 49%FG. 37%3FG. 71%FT. 3.5Rebs.
Matt MCCollum. 5pts
Billy Lynch. 3.2 Pts
Zach Willingham. 2.3 pts
Brian Burns. 2.0 pts
Rob Robbins. 3.4 pts
2017-18
Taylor Persons. 14.8 Pts. 47%FG. 39%3pt. 69%FT. 4.4 ast. 1St. T.O.M 1.4
Sean Sellers. 8.7 pts. 43%FG. 39%3Pt. 82%FT. 1.3 asst. 4.3 Rebs
Trey Moses. 11.6 pts. 58%FG. 62%Ft. 8.2 Reb. 2.2 asst. 1blk
Tahjai Teague. 11.5 pts. 52%FG. 66%FT. 7.6 Reb. 1.2 st. 1blk
Kyle Mallers. 10Pts. 46%FG. 87%FT. 4.8 Reb. 1.3ast
Ismael El-Amin. 5Pts. 39%FG. 33%3PT. 70%FT. 1.5 asst. T.O.M .3
Jontrell Walker. 7.9 pts. 42%FG. 38%3PT. 81%FT.
Zach Gunn 4.4 pts. 33%FG. 29%3pt. 78%FT.
Francis Kiapay. 3.8pts. 26%FG. 28%3Pt. 83%FT
Josh Thompson. 2.4 pts.
Interesting to look back. I forgot how good the 01-02 team was offensively that year. Teague would have been a good fit with that ball club and Moses would be a role player as would Persons who would be the 1st guard off the bench. Sellers would be a back up as would Mallers. Very talented group that underachieved after a great start. Jackson, Williams, Smith and Jones would be my starters with Teague from this years group. Moses would back up Jones with Owens, Sellers and Mallers would split time with Teague and Smith Persons would be the first guard off the bench but you could interchange Williams and Persons. Head to Head, 01 team just more talented than this years team and would be a double digit winner. Fun to look back.
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Feb 23, 2018 5:35:20 GMT -6
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Post by bsu1 on Feb 23, 2018 5:35:20 GMT -6
I'd start Moses over Lonnie. Lo noe got up for the big games but was mediocre against everyone else. Moses is bringing it every game and is being very productive. You are correct about that team starting well then under achieving.
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Feb 23, 2018 7:15:27 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 23, 2018 7:15:27 GMT -6
I'd start Moses over Lonnie. Lo noe got up for the big games but was mediocre against everyone else. Moses is bringing it every game and is being very productive. You are correct about that team starting well then under achieving. Lonnie was unusual. He could dominate a game with shot blocking. But could not play a whole game, asthma. Was not much of an offensive threat except he was usually lurking to get rebound put it back. Moses might play a lot, allow Lonnie to play harder, be more effective in even fewer minutes. Moses maybe more than just a "role player" that way and in the way he's playing offense now. Would work well with Smith. Teague would indeed fit well as reevo says. Good guard play on that team, and wonderful player in TSmith.
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Post by reevo on Feb 23, 2018 10:52:54 GMT -6
I'd start Moses over Lonnie. Lo noe got up for the big games but was mediocre against everyone else. Moses is bringing it every game and is being very productive. You are correct about that team starting well then under achieving. Very debatable. Lonnie would be a much better defensive option against better Division 1 centers because of his length and athleticism. People forget that Jones could really jump for a 6'11 kid with extremely long arms. You also have to keep in mind that Jones scoring was down because Williams, Smith and Jackson shot the ball a lot. Lonnie could play and hold his own against the better NCAA teams and he did as he played well against Kansas, Duke, UCLA, Indiana and Oklahoma St. Moses has not proved he can play against better post players. Either way, Trey would play quite a lot. I just find it interesting looking back at how talented that team was. Smith is on a different planet compared to our roster today. Williams and Persons were very similar though Williams was a much better defender and athlete who could take over a game similar to Taylor. Jackson is the piece this years team is missing. Lightning quick with good handles, can breakdown a defense and knocks down open 3's and was an excellent on the ball defender. Jones was a great rim protector. 01-02 team did not have the bench this team had but just had more athletic talent. Fun to debate.
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Feb 23, 2018 13:40:59 GMT -6
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Post by bsu1 on Feb 23, 2018 13:40:59 GMT -6
Reevo, Lonnie was an enigma for me. When we played top teams Lonnie could rise to the occasion and could compete with the best and could also be almost a nonfactor against lesser opponents. The question is now, with Moses playing with the aggressiveness he's now playing with, how will he do against Buffalo's and other tough bigs.
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Feb 23, 2018 13:57:11 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 23, 2018 13:57:11 GMT -6
I'd start Moses over Lonnie. Lo noe got up for the big games but was mediocre against everyone else. Moses is bringing it every game and is being very productive. You are correct about that team starting well then under achieving. Very debatable. Lonnie would be a much better defensive option against better Division 1 centers because of his length and athleticism. People forget that Jones could really jump for a 6'11 kid with extremely long arms. You also have to keep in mind that Jones scoring was down because Williams, Smith and Jackson shot the ball a lot. Lonnie could play and hold his own against the better NCAA teams and he did as he played well against Kansas, Duke, UCLA, Indiana and Oklahoma St. Moses has not proved he can play against better post players. Either way, Trey would play quite a lot. I just find it interesting looking back at how talented that team was. Smith is on a different planet compared to our roster today. Williams and Persons were very similar though Williams was a much better defender and athlete who could take over a game similar to Taylor. Jackson is the piece this years team is missing. Lightning quick with good handles, can breakdown a defense and knocks down open 3's and was an excellent on the ball defender. Jones was a great rim protector. 01-02 team did not have the bench this team had but just had more athletic talent. Fun to debate. Good point about Pete. Smart player, good decisions, could defend. Ironic how we start the season very worried about inside play with really good depth at guard, Tyler an athlete, Walker pretty good athletes reliable judgement. We end up trusting our inside play more than we could expect, but with Sellers playing out of position at guard, and a freshman coming off the bench, neither able to defend quick guards. The more you think about it the more puzzling it was they really didn't play well all season. Depth may have been a factor as the season went on. I worry a lot about that with this team. And disappointed we didn't start out with Moses at full speed. We would have had a lot better early season results. If it had all come together then, and we had retained all our players from the summer we had potential to be pretty good. Probably still would not have beaten Buffalo the way they played that game. They were awfully good. This season has not gone as I expected when looking at it last summer, but we end up now with a record about where I expected after a bumpy ride. But not as much chance in my mind to have a great MAC tourney because of the depth issue.
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Feb 23, 2018 14:17:33 GMT -6
Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 23, 2018 14:17:33 GMT -6
I hate Western and just want to kick their asses.. Hawkins has been the dean of MAC coaches for a few years now, but in a league like ours, I'm not sure that isn't a backhanded compliment. He's always seemed to get a lot of players from our backyard, but hasn't done much except use them to beat us over the last decade or so.
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Feb 23, 2018 14:33:25 GMT -6
Post by redbirdman on Feb 23, 2018 14:33:25 GMT -6
WMU blog shows a lot of their fans are tired of Hawkins. While I don't feel his bosses are their attendance is not good. I also feel the Bball program takes a back seat to hockey. One other comment to keep in mind about MAC level big men Hawkins believes that it takes 2 full years out of high school to make a judgement on their playing ability in the league.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 23, 2018 14:36:24 GMT -6
I’m still pissed about wmu getting into the Ncaa tourney over us in 97 when we beat them twice and won the division over them.
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