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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 24, 2018 16:57:15 GMT -6
After head to head, what is the hierarchy for settling tiebreakers for seeding in the MAC Tournament? I'm curious how a tie would be settled between Ball St. and EMU if they were to tie at 11-7 or 10-8.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 24, 2018 17:10:04 GMT -6
1. Between TWO teams:
A. Head-to-head competition
B. Division Record (10 games)^
C. Winning percentage* vs. ranked conference teams (top to bottom, regardless of division, vs. common opponents regardless of the number of times played)
D. Coin flip
2. For MULTIPLE (3 or more) team ties:
E. Total won-lost record/winning percentage* of games played among the tied teams
F. Two (2)-team tie-breaker procedure goes into effect (refer to A)
[NOTE: Once a three-team tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker will go into effect.]
^ - For the purpose of determining the Division champion. This tiebreaker is ONLY used for seeding purposes if the two teams in question are tied for the Division lead. (Teams will still be considered co-divisional champions)
* - Winning percentage is used instead of record because of situations where teams do not play each other the same number of times. Therefore, a team that is 1-0 (1.000) would win the tiebreaker over a team that is 1-1 (.500).
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Post by swenocha on Feb 28, 2018 14:54:03 GMT -6
This might already be covered elsewhere... apologies if so...
Obviously if BSU wins and EMU loses, BSU is the #3 seed with a 11-7 record opposed to EMU's hypothetical 10-8.
I believe that the #3 seed could also belong the to Cards with an EMU win paired with a BSU win depending on a few other factors, but I may be misreading the tie-breakers. Head to head, followed by division record (^but this is only for division championship), followed by records against ranked MAC opponents. Currently, EMU is 6-3 in division, while BSU is 5-4. Thus, if EMU beats Toledo, they will have a better division record. But the tie-breaker states that that doesn't matter. It would move on to the third tie-breaker criteria, which is conference opponents. Buffalo holds 1-0 records against both, so 2nd place UT would be next... UT is 0-2 against both in this scenario. So... here's where it gets tricky. If Kent becomes the next best record team (by them winning and WMU losing), BSU holds the #3 based on BSU's 1-1 record against Kent (EMU is 0-1). If WMU wins and Kent loses, I think EMU would get the #3 with a BSU loss due to BSU's 0-2 record against WMU. If they both win, I think Kent would be the next best record based on tiebreakers due to their win over WMU, so BSU would end up with the #3.
With a loss, it would take some further analysis to figure out what other losses would need to happen to hold on. Obviously, if Kent and WMU both lost, the #4 would belong to the Cards. WMU holds a 2-0 record against BSU, so they'd get #4 if they win and Kent loses. If Kent wins and WMU loses, BSU holds a 1-1 record, so the first tie-breaker is moot. Kent holds a victory over Buffalo, however, so they'd get the tiebreaker and the #4 seed. If both win, Kent would own the tiebreaker over BSU and WMU due to their victory over WMU.
Thus, if I'm interpreting the tie-breaker correctly (which I freely admit I may not be):
- a win gets the #3 seed if EMU loses to Toledo.
- a win gets the #3 seed if EMU wins along with a Kent win.
- a win gets the #4 seed if EMU wins along with a WMU win and a Kent loss.
- a loss gets the #4 seed if both Kent and WMU lose, or a home-court 1st round game if either win.
Of course, if the team plays like they have in the last week, this is pretty much all for naught...
EDIT:
Appears I was close, but not entirely on target because of what I NOTE below. And this gives more detail on the lower than #4 seed, which I didn't explore (because really... if the Cards have to play the first round game, this is all even more hopeless than it is with the bye, correct?).
Pilfered from the StarPress:
If Ball State wins and…
…Eastern Michigan loses: Ball State will be the No. 3 seed. The Cardinals would be 11-7 in league play and the Eagles would only be 10-8.
…Eastern Michigan wins: Ball State will be the No. 4 seed. The reasoning comes down to who is the fifth-place, since both Ball State and Eastern Michigan would be 0-1 against Buffalo and 2-0 against Toledo. Whether the fifth-place team is Western Michigan, Kent State or Miami (Ohio), Eastern Michigan would have tiebreaker. Note: I had misread the Kent/EMU result here, so had the result incorrect if the Kent in 5th scenario played out. Otherwise matches my prior comments.
If Ball State loses and…
...Eastern Michigan loses, Western Michigan wins and Kent State wins: Ball State will be the No. 6 seed as all four teams would be 10-8. The tiebreaker for three or more teams is the combined record against each other, and Ball State is 2-4 against those three teams, which is the worst. Eastern Michigan would be the No. 3 in this scenario, Western Michigan the No. 4 and Kent State No. 5.
…Eastern Michigan loses, Western Michigan wins and Kent State loses: Ball State will be the No. 5 seed.
…Eastern Michigan loses, Western Michigan loses and Kent State wins: Ball State will be the No. 4 seed. Eastern Michigan would be the No. 3, Kent State No. 5 and Western Michigan No. 6.
…Eastern Michigan wins, Western Michigan wins and Kent State wins: Ball State will be the No. 6 seed. Kent State would be the No. 4, Western Michigan No. 5.
…Eastern Michigan wins, Western Michigan loses and Kent State wins: Ball State will be the No. 5 seed. Kent State gets the edge for the No. 4 seed with a win over Buffalo.
…Eastern Michigan wins, Western Michigan wins and Kent State loses: Ball State will be the No. 5 seed. Western Michigan would earn the bye, thanks to beating Ball State twice.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 28, 2018 15:06:58 GMT -6
Since you're already neck-deep in this, if we get the 3 seed is it possible for EMU and WMU both to be on Buffalo's side of the bracket?
If we get the 3 seed and the teams that play tough are on the other side of the bracket I think we can lose in the championship game.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 28, 2018 18:25:09 GMT -6
I'm not going to go into the scenarios because it is too time consuming to explain. I'll just explain the results.
BSU wins EMU wins. Eastern is #3, Ball State is #4
BSU wins EMU loses. Ball State is #3, Eastern is #4
EMU wins BSU loses. Eastern is #3, Ball State is...
- If Kent State and Western Michigan lose, Ball State is #4
- If Kent State wins and Western Michigan loses, Kent State is #4 Ball State is #5
- If Western Michigan wins and Kent State loses, Western Michigan is #4, Ball State is #5
- If Western Michigan wins and Kent State wins, Kent State is #4, Western Michigan is #5, Ball State is #6
Ball State wins, Eastern loses, Western wins, Kent State loses gives you #1 Buffalo, #4 Eastern, #5 Western. All in the bracket opposite us.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 28, 2018 18:36:07 GMT -6
Ball State wins, Eastern loses, Western wins, Kent State loses gives you #1 Buffalo, #4 Eastern, #5 Western. All in the bracket opposite us. Thanks. I will bend all of my willpower Friday night to making this happen. |
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