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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 12, 2018 20:24:58 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Mar 12, 2018 20:27:57 GMT -6
Yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 5:04:57 GMT -6
Because it isn't something the NCAA has jurisdiction over. If a player punches a referee they can do something about it, but domestic violence is outside their scope, it's up to the coach and University. As-an-aside that is terribly written article, her poster child Joe Mixon committed criminal assault, not domestic violence or sexual assault. His case was far more severe and very atypical compared to a normal domestic situation. There is no way the NCAA can mete out punishment in cases where they will likely have very little information. She seems to be advocating some sort of blanket, one size fits all penalty, which would be completely unfair in many cases.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 13, 2018 6:53:17 GMT -6
Any policy would have to base whatever punishment the NCAA hands down, to the actual charge, and if there's a conviction or plea deal.
The problem is that since there's a new focus on women being abused, there's a tendency to overreact, in order to "prove" that it's being taken seriously.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 13, 2018 10:12:51 GMT -6
Any policy would have to base whatever punishment the NCAA hands down, to the actual charge, and if there's a conviction or plea deal. The problem is that since there's a new focus on women being abused, there's a tendency to overreact, in order to "prove" that it's being taken seriously. They have to react and anytime you set up a set of rules you will run into the trouble that you need exceptions, and you will have overlooked something that is not really what you intended. Unintended consequences. You make a good point. The NCAA has so little credibility on this issue it will be driven by perceptions and PR which exposes that, and it is fairly likely when it finally acts to either not do nearly enough, but make a big hypocritical show of it, or go too far. On balance, given the neglect they have featured up to now, a little overreaction is the lesser of the two evils. Letting the schools take care of it on their own is not a great choice either. That's how we got in this mess.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 13, 2018 12:06:28 GMT -6
On balance, given the neglect they have featured up to now, a little overreaction is the lesser of the two evils. Not when it ruins a young man's entire life. Not when he has to register as a sex offender, for the rest of his life. Not when there are false accusations with no recourse, and the man has to live with his own "scarlet letter" for the rest of his life. Of course men abusing women is a terrible problem (a rare instance where we can all agree), but false accusations are just as bad. Once the social justice/media mafia jumps on, his life is over.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 13, 2018 13:01:15 GMT -6
"On balance, given the neglect they have featured up to now, a little overreaction is the lesser of the two evils."
And what if your son received the overreaction that is supposed to somehow make up for previous neglect?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 13:11:00 GMT -6
On balance, given the neglect they have featured up to now, a little overreaction is the lesser of the two evils. Not when it ruins a young man's entire life. Not when he has to register as a sex offender, for the rest of his life. Not when there are false accusations with no recourse, and the man has to live with his own "scarlet letter" for the rest of his life. Of course men abusing women is a terrible problem (a rare instance where we can all agree), but false accusations are just as bad. Once the social justice/media mafia jumps on, his life is over. Naw a few ruined innocent male lives mean nothing when you are a social justice warrior. You have to think big picture here, there is a large potential voter base to rile up.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Mar 13, 2018 13:34:42 GMT -6
00 = Madame Defarge
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 13, 2018 14:04:51 GMT -6
On balance, given the neglect they have featured up to now, a little overreaction is the lesser of the two evils. Not when it ruins a young man's entire life. Not when he has to register as a sex offender, for the rest of his life. Not when there are false accusations with no recourse, and the man has to live with his own "scarlet letter" for the rest of his life. Of course men abusing women is a terrible problem (a rare instance where we can all agree), but false accusations are just as bad. Once the social justice/media mafia jumps on, his life is over. That is too easily used as an excuse not to do anything. You have to aggressively address the problem, and the question is how aggressive. We have scandalously chosen to let schools protect the guilty, to let the athletes know they can get away with too much. The false accusation is bad, but not as bad as a system that encourages athletes to push the envelope, knowing they will be protected. I completely agree with you that ANY rule has risks. It has to be very well written and enforced with an eye toward the problems you correctly cite. But, no rule is perfect and waiting for a perfect rule before doing anything is worse. If I have to accept less than perfect rule, and see how it works, then worry about fixing the problems that come with that, I'd rather do that than accept the FAR less than perfect solution of doing FAR too little to discourage the behavior we see. How do we deal with the problems that result from that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 14:57:36 GMT -6
Not when it ruins a young man's entire life. Not when he has to register as a sex offender, for the rest of his life. Not when there are false accusations with no recourse, and the man has to live with his own "scarlet letter" for the rest of his life. Of course men abusing women is a terrible problem (a rare instance where we can all agree), but false accusations are just as bad. Once the social justice/media mafia jumps on, his life is over. . We have scandalously chosen to let schools protect the guilty, When did we do that ?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 19, 2018 19:30:54 GMT -6
According to his twitter it looks like walker is set to graduate in May
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Post by cardfan on Mar 19, 2018 20:03:15 GMT -6
Hopefully he will graduate and go in to lead a constructive, productive life.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 19, 2018 20:50:03 GMT -6
According to his twitter it looks like walker is set to graduate in May The one positive of Walker and Tyler is that they both look like they are set to graduate.. If they do it may not knock our academics. I forget what the rule is but if thy flunk out or transfer it dings something and we are penalized in some way.
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Post by card93 on Mar 22, 2018 14:31:57 GMT -6
Star Press reporting that Walker has been released from his scholarship. Verbal Commits is tweeting that he is leaving BSU as a grad transfer with one year of eligibility remaining.
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