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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 13:37:53 GMT -6
. Gunn used when shooting needed. Yeah that'll win a lot of games. I do agree however Mallers will start instead of Hazen. Hazen is good. He is tough, has good hands, not really good as a post player, but can play inside more effectively than Mallers where we need that. But unless Hazen improves shooting, or Teague is used outside, having regained his shooting some way, then we lack shooting in the starting lineup. Gunn was a freshman, he will be fine this year.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 24, 2018 13:43:34 GMT -6
I really need to teach to never committ to anything. We hope Gunn will be fine. Then if he fails instead of everyone calling you out you can just say I said hope. Lol
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2018 14:03:24 GMT -6
I’ll say we have no clue who will be eligible or healthy by next October. With whit odds are one or the other or both could be an issue. I’m not convinced Hazen will start. Mallers has a big jump on him. Maybe by next fall Hazen will have made up that ground. But right now we have one or two shooters on the entire roster. Everyone else is a tweener type player with no real position or role.
At first look we do not look capable of playing the way Whitford wants to play, which is perimeter oriented. We don’t appear to be set up to play outside or inside (but more capable inside) right now, unless we make significant additions this spring. Will he be flexible and willing enough to adjust? Other than when he was forced to change styles a bit to fit to the personnel this season Whitford has more often tried to make the personnel fit the style and that only takes you so far. Round hole square peg.
And no, a 4 year transfer will not help next years team one iota. At some point we need to think about getting help for the next season, not future seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 14:30:07 GMT -6
At first look we do not look capable of playing the way Whitford wants to play, which is perimeter oriented. We don’t appear to be set up to play outside or inside (but more capable inside) right now, This is why I have no explanation for Whitfords recruiting. Acree makes some sense if he improves his ball handling, but Coleman is a complete mystery, he is too small to play forward, isn't capable of playing the point at the D1 level, and he can't shoot at all. Seriously what the hell is Whitford doing.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2018 14:35:26 GMT -6
I’m not real sure there’s been a plan in terms of recruiting. It’s all 6’5-6’6 guys with a bunch of swings and misses (or foul tips) at the 1, 2, and 5 spots. Especially early on when you really want to establish your roster and philosophy. The struggle to find a MAC level starting point guard (a true point who can play at both ends, not Persons) has been real. For 5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 14:51:33 GMT -6
If he doesn't pull a rabbit this spring we are looking at a disastrous team for the 2019-2020 season.
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Post by gocardsgo on Mar 24, 2018 16:47:27 GMT -6
If he doesn't pull a rabbit this spring we are looking at a disastrous team for the 2019-2020 season. The only magic trick I'd accept from Whitford is making himself disappear
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 17:59:48 GMT -6
I really need to teach to never committ to anything. We hope Gunn will be fine. Then if he fails instead of everyone calling you out you can just say I said hope. Lol I've been committing so far. Doing OK, but you are a man wise to the ways of the negative vibe on the forum.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2018 18:00:36 GMT -6
If he doesn't pull a rabbit this spring we are looking at a disastrous team for the 2019-2020 season. You're making it too easy to argue with...
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 24, 2018 19:54:08 GMT -6
If he doesn't pull a rabbit this spring we are looking at a disastrous team for the 2019-2020 season. You're making it too easy to argue with... Well, yeah, "disastrous" might be overstating it, but the loses of Person and Moses will not be insignificant and there are no sure-fire replacements for them on the roster. Ish may well but fine at point, but we'll need another PG on the roster for sure, and I don't think it's wise to count on Thompson or Leedy to provide the minutes and quality we'd need. So, yeah, we kinda need a rabbit-out-of-the-hat PG this spring I actually expect Teague to be better than Moses next year in terms of production but they really don't fill the same role on the team. Will Hazen or Huggins fill that role? Remains to be seen, but more immediate help in the post would definitely be good and the hour is late to pick up one of those players this year. If you put that player in the next recruiting class, that means you're sticking a freshman in there, and Whit doesn't have a history of providing freshmen that deliver immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 9:30:46 GMT -6
You're making it too easy to argue with... Well, yeah, "disastrous" might be overstating it, but the loses of Person and Moses will not be insignificant and there are no sure-fire replacements for them on the roster. Ish may well but fine at point, but we'll need another PG on the roster for sure, and I don't think it's wise to count on Thompson or Leedy to provide the minutes and quality we'd need. So, yeah, we kinda need a rabbit-out-of-the-hat PG this spring I actually expect Teague to be better than Moses next year in terms of production but they really don't fill the same role on the team. Will Hazen or Huggins fill that role? Remains to be seen, but more immediate help in the post would definitely be good and the hour is late to pick up one of those players this year. If you put that player in the next recruiting class, that means you're sticking a freshman in there, and Whit doesn't have a history of providing freshmen that deliver immediately. Yeah and forcing Hazen or Teague to play post is just wasting their true abilities. How can anyone look at this roster and not see a potential mess in 19-20. We'll have no perimeter shooting and no interior play.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 25, 2018 10:47:38 GMT -6
2019-20 will see us with some very good players. Yes. We will lose Persons and Moses, 2 good players. Surely we have good chances to replace them. After all we have 4 players coming in including Acree and Coleman this year, and 2 recruits replacing the seniors as they graduate.
The 7 we know include players who could end up doing well without much help, Walton, Hazen, Teague, and Mallers, Ish, Huggins and Gunn. All with another year under their belt.
That group would have considerably more athletic ability than what we saw on the floor for a long time. Less shooting than we are used to, but then you complained we had no athletes then...and as much as you and others criticize Moses, can't see why his going is so catastrophic.
We'll recruit some shooting to go with what we have. I don't see how you are so worried.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 12:05:48 GMT -6
2019-20 will see us with some very good players. Yes. We will lose Persons and Moses, 2 good players. Surely we have good chances to replace them. You don't want to rely on Freshman and at this point the only guy that may be an upgrade is Walton and he has severe limitations. Exactly what positions do you believe Coleman, Acree and Gunn are going to play. All three of those guys are role players. Do you think Hazen and Teague are going to play center ? Ish may be okay be he can't play the two spot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 12:20:50 GMT -6
We'll recruit some shooting to go with what we have. I don't see how you are so worried. When................How do you explain Acree, Coleman, Gunn, Ish, Walton, and Hazen ?
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 25, 2018 12:33:56 GMT -6
We'll recruit some shooting to go with what we have. I don't see how you are so worried. When................How do you explain Acree, Coleman, Gunn, Ish, Walton, and Hazen ? Gunn can shoot. Others solve problems we had in lacking athletes, playing D, running the court... Can't have everything in every player.
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