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Post by cardfan on May 29, 2018 16:15:33 GMT -6
Been that way forever.
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Post by 00hmh on May 29, 2018 16:52:10 GMT -6
Without a Big Ten membership they would be similar to the University of Pennsylvania. Big Ten means big money. Not many state supported schools out of ''major'' conferences that are big time. IU was in the right place at the right time.. UPenn is a private, an Ivy. I think you have the causation backward. The B10 was formed for big public schools with a lot in common. Those commonalities preceded and allowed big time sports. UPenn much different, not similar in any way. Virtually every giant public flagship school like IU is big football. The schools don't get big because of football, football gets big because of the resources and fan base. Those B10 schools are different than a Utah or Wyoming. Land Grant state universities, flagship schools in big states are not the same. ND has a unique history with football helping to put it on the map. Can't think of many cases like that.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 29, 2018 17:28:38 GMT -6
No, you're wrong. Football has put BSU on the map. For example, one time I was in Mississippi and was wearing a BSU hat, and some guy...around 60...kind of overweight...not a real good command of the English language...not the best hygiene and dentation...anyway, he mentioned seeing Ball State on the TV. Mid-week Maction, I imagine. Football has increased the awareness of BSU by around 30% among this particular demographic. So, to that extent, it's put us on the map. Strangely, it hasn't been possible to detect the increase in donations and enrollments from this group.
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Post by 00hmh on May 29, 2018 17:35:23 GMT -6
Patience. Like many things with BSU sports, just wait til next year.
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Post by cardfan on May 29, 2018 17:47:18 GMT -6
In the words of Mark Sandy, “we’ll show it next year.”
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Post by williamtsherman on May 29, 2018 17:58:02 GMT -6
There is also that one verified sighting of an Indiana high school senior at a BSU football game...1999 I think it was. He stood the entire time and was dancing, cheering and generally behaving in the most enthusiastic manner. Later it was found he had ingested certain psychoactive substances and was under the impression he was at a Phish concert....but still.
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Post by bsu0 on May 29, 2018 18:44:57 GMT -6
When the Western Conference was formed it had two private schools, University of Chicago and Northwestern.
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Post by 00hmh on May 29, 2018 21:00:21 GMT -6
When the Western Conference was formed it had two private schools, University of Chicago and Northwestern. That's true, as you know UChicago dropped out of the arms race before the TV era, when revenue was gate revenue. UC was very big in football success in the early days before it became a sport requiring the investment it does. They had a Chicago fan base, if not a large alumni. Even so it was not so big in football revenue when it left in the 40's, partly to emphasize academics, but it just was not like the other schools. Northwestern which had a bit more enrollment was the other private school and it remains. Many say is not a good fit, and is somewhat like UPenn.
Well except the factor that it is not East coast. And although a fine school, UC is probably more like Ivy League in its history.
Conferences when created all had geography in mind to facilitate athletic schedules, and usually were similar schools.
As other conferences were created after the Western Conference(all research schools, for example), those schools also wanted similar schools, and geographical proximity. In 1895 when the Western Conference became the first, athletics in some ways at all schools were somewhat similar.
It was not immediately that the big money entered the game. That money factor was something that in many ways football brought to the schools. Much later TV. Well it came to the schools with big alumni base and large enrollment. Or unusual ability to draw urban fans like UC, and of course ND. Money and rabid fans meant they could build or had access to big stadiums and then fill them. Rich get richer.
Not so many smaller schools or schools without a long history, could do that.
These are factors why BSU and IU are different. In a different league so to speak both literally and figuratively. IU was a pretty big school, long history, large alumni base. Our enrollment only hit 20K, less than 1/2 that of IU even then, in the 70's. Don't get me wrong, it is completely clear IU doesn't pull its full weight in football, but they did become a national power in basketball and had very high revenue there. And they did have a big sports program comparable to other B10 schools early on.
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Post by bsu0 on May 30, 2018 7:47:22 GMT -6
I am aware of everything that you have written ( my family has six diplomas from IU on the wall including three Masters and a MD). I am dog tired of all the yahoos that inhabit Bloomington and think their sh*t doesn't stink, their basketball program is still elite, and that southern Indiana is heaven on earth.
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Post by 00hmh on May 30, 2018 8:20:04 GMT -6
I am aware of everything that you have written ( my family has six diplomas from IU on the wall including three Masters and a MD). I am dog tired of all the yahoos that inhabit Bloomington and think their sh*t doesn't stink, their basketball program is still elite, and that southern Indiana is heaven on earth. You don't know how much I agree about all that!
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Post by bsu0 on May 30, 2018 9:38:58 GMT -6
Great minds think alike
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 19:33:22 GMT -6
Bowling Green is #102 Akron is #97 EMU is #85 WMU is #82
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 9:25:24 GMT -6
PJ's Minnesota is in at #74. Row, ya f@ckin' little Gophers!
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Post by TakeMeBackto2008 on Jun 16, 2018 15:43:28 GMT -6
Surprised they came up with 8 teams worse than us.
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Post by bsu0 on Jun 16, 2018 17:27:03 GMT -6
I hope we prove the naysayers to be wrong and win 5 or 6
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