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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 15:18:11 GMT -6
Lost 7 to 2. I told you guys before, Maloney coaches these guys to swing at first pitch fastballs, and try to pull the ball. The CMU pitcher threw 97 pitches in this game.He threw 12 pitches in the final 2 innings. Absolutely no patience on this team, and that's fully on the coach.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 25, 2018 16:25:52 GMT -6
Well they won one more game than I expected... The Bsu Way continues
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 17:22:06 GMT -6
Well they one more game than I expected... The Bsu Way continues I guess that's one way to look at it.
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Post by CallingBS on May 25, 2018 18:31:52 GMT -6
Lost 7 to 2. I told you guys before, Maloney coaches these guys to swing at first pitch fastballs, and try to pull the ball. The CMU pitcher threw 97 pitches in this game.He threw 12 pitches in the final 2 innings. Absolutely no patience on this team, and that's fully on the coach. Your presence here after a loss was predictable. You clearly don't understand baseball. Swinging at fastballs first pitch is baseball 101. The percentages for successful at-bats go down dramatically if you take a first pitch fastball for a strike. As for coaching the guys to pull the ball, that's a load of crap. I know this because I go to most of the games, and I know his general philosophies. We actually have a world class coach in Maloney (unlike just about every coach at BSU), and you want to armchair after every loss. I guarantee he's not happy with the results the last couple of years either, but baseball is a weird game, and this team and program have been through a lot the last couple of years. Not much you can do when your stud pitcher barfs all over himself in the first inning of a key MAC tourney game. It happens, but it just so happens that this was a really bad time for it to happen. The kid had a phenomenal year - I feel bad for him. So when does your son graduate?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 18:51:41 GMT -6
Swinging at fastballs first pitch is baseball 101. The percentages for successful at-bats go down dramatically if you take a first pitch fastball for a strike. Not always. Depends on the location of that first strike fast ball, and what your personal strength is (i.e. understand your personal strike zone). Also, depends on the effectiveness of the off-speed stuff the pitcher may show me later in the at-bat.
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Post by CallingBS on May 25, 2018 19:08:06 GMT -6
Swinging at fastballs first pitch is baseball 101. The percentages for successful at-bats go down dramatically if you take a first pitch fastball for a strike. Not always. Depends on the location of that first strike fast ball, and what your personal strength is (i.e. understand your personal strike zone). Also, depends on the effectiveness of the off-speed stuff the pitcher may show me later in the at-bat. Well, obviously, but if a ball is piped, you had better be swinging.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 25, 2018 19:20:03 GMT -6
Lost 7 to 2. I told you guys before, Maloney coaches these guys to swing at first pitch fastballs, and try to pull the ball. The CMU pitcher threw 97 pitches in this game.He threw 12 pitches in the final 2 innings. Absolutely no patience on this team, and that's fully on the coach. Your presence here after a loss was predictable. You clearly don't understand baseball. Swinging at fastballs first pitch is baseball 101. The percentages for successful at-bats go down dramatically if you take a first pitch fastball for a strike. As for coaching the guys to pull the ball, that's a load of crap. I know this because I go to most of the games, and I know his general philosophies. We actually have a world class coach in Maloney (unlike just about every coach at BSU), and you want to armchair after every loss. I guarantee he's not happy with the results the last couple of years either, but baseball is a weird game, and this team and program have been through a lot the last couple of years. Not much you can do when your stud pitcher barfs all over himself in the first inning of a key MAC tourney game. It happens, but it just so happens that this was a really bad time for it to happen. The kid had a phenomenal year - I feel bad for him. So when does your son graduate? Shots fired and I am getting some popcorn.. Lets do this and for once none of us regulars are involved.. We can finally just set back and watch the show.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 21:00:54 GMT -6
Not always. Depends on the location of that first strike fast ball, and what your personal strength is (i.e. understand your personal strike zone). Also, depends on the effectiveness of the off-speed stuff the pitcher may show me later in the at-bat. Well, obviously, but if a ball is piped, you had better be swinging. Not obviously. Some people are that stupid. They're called "prey."
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Post by Chi-town northsider on May 26, 2018 8:11:20 GMT -6
Lost 7 to 2. I told you guys before, Maloney coaches these guys to swing at first pitch fastballs, and try to pull the ball. The CMU pitcher threw 97 pitches in this game.He threw 12 pitches in the final 2 innings. Absolutely no patience on this team, and that's fully on the coach. Your presence here after a loss was predictable. You clearly don't understand baseball. Swinging at fastballs first pitch is baseball 101. The percentages for successful at-bats go down dramatically if you take a first pitch fastball for a strike. As for coaching the guys to pull the ball, that's a load of crap. I know this because I go to most of the games, and I know his general philosophies. We actually have a world class coach in Maloney (unlike just about every coach at BSU), and you want to armchair after every loss. I guarantee he's not happy with the results the last couple of years either, but baseball is a weird game, and this team and program have been through a lot the last couple of years. Not much you can do when your stud pitcher barfs all over himself in the first inning of a key MAC tourney game. It happens, but it just so happens that this was a really bad time for it to happen. The kid had a phenomenal year - I feel bad for him. So when does your son graduate? He graduates 4th grade next week, thanks for asking. He does have the guys pull the ball. Just watch them take bp, or hit off the tee. It's all about the Muncie wind. He wants them to generate more power and that's how you do it. It works well in Muncie, look up the Ohio St game, But when they play at a park like Avon you need to score in different ways. You also need your defense to play and we didnt in this game. As for swinging at 1st pitch strikes, of course you do early in a game, but when you beat everything in the ground like BSU did yesterday you better start doing something different. That was only the 3rd carer start of that sophomore from CMU. After 6 innings yesterday he had thrown 66 pitches. My favorite stat is this. In the 1st inning Reidel got a 3-2 count. After that not ONE hitter got to 3 balls in a count. Only 3 batters in the whole game got to a 2 ball count.THREE!! You don't think Maloney shouldn't tell the guys to be a little more selective? Hey maybe make this guy work a little harder, get his pitch count up? Remember CMU had just got done playing a game against Toledo. Their bullpen is not full strength. Maloney made no adjustments. He's all in on 3 run homers, but when it comes to scratching out runs he is definitely lacking. That's why on a neutral field like Avon, our world class coach gets beat every year.
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Post by cardfan on May 26, 2018 9:13:40 GMT -6
I’m kinda ok with his career record. I think he may know a little bit about baseball. Big 10 titles. Ncaa tourney appearances, COY in the Big 10 and and The MAC, etc. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Maloney
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Post by CallingBS on May 26, 2018 9:41:56 GMT -6
I’m kinda ok with his career record. I think he may know a little bit about baseball. Big 10 titles. Ncaa tourney appearances, COY in the Big 10 and and The MAC, etc. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_MaloneyThis speaks for itself. No need to say anything else.
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Post by cbcjanney on May 26, 2018 11:14:28 GMT -6
I think some folks here are cutting Maloney a lot more slack than they're giving to Whitford. Maloney has had one really good year in his last 10 seasons of coaching between UM and BSU. He's got a .578 winning % since his return to BSU and overall a .535 since 2009. Not awful but....considering the MAC is generally the #22-23 rated baseball conference (compared to the #13 range in basketball) these results are nationally not very good. Granted, Maloney does have the historical awards if you go back far enough that Whitford has never achieved.
Recruiting has changed so much for baseball since Maloney's better days. Perhaps he's too caught up in the NFL-style combine metrics that's taken over recruiting these days. College baseball coaches don't go to high school games anymore - they'd rather have the prospects pay to attend the college's meat-market Workouts and subscribe to Perfect Game and Prep Baseball Report and get analyzed through their combines. I attend a lot of Indy-area high school games and though I've sat near MLB scouts, I haven't seen a college coach at a game this whole season. I watched a pitcher the other night at Sectionals who's ranked in the top ten of '19 prospects (a guy BSU would be after) because he supposedly touched 91 mph once in a controlled-environment. A .500 Knightstown squad scored 4 runs on 7 hits off of him, somewhat because he didn't throw over 84-ish mph in the actual game. Similarly with hitters/fielders, it's all about bat-speed, crow-hop velocity, 60-yd dash, etc. regardless of how good of a competitor or teammate they are, or if they can actually throw that 91mph consistently for strikes. Kids are recruited way more on future potential than what they've actually accomplished so far, and oftentimes recruited without being watched in a live game.
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Post by reevo on May 26, 2018 11:56:41 GMT -6
I think some folks here are cutting Maloney a lot more slack than they're giving to Whitford. Maloney has had one really good year in his last 10 seasons of coaching between UM and BSU. He's got a .578 winning % since his return to BSU and overall a .535 since 2009. Not awful but....considering the MAC is generally the #22-23 rated baseball conference (compared to the #13 range in basketball) these results are nationally not very good. Granted, Maloney does have the historical awards if you go back far enough that Whitford has never achieved. Recruiting has changed so much for baseball since Maloney's better days. Perhaps he's too caught up in the NFL-style combine metrics that's taken over recruiting these days. College baseball coaches don't go to high school games anymore - they'd rather have the prospects pay to attend the college's meat-market Workouts and subscribe to Perfect Game and Prep Baseball Report and get analyzed through their combines. I attend a lot of Indy-area high school games and though I've sat near MLB scouts, I haven't seen a college coach at a game this whole season. I watched a pitcher the other night at Sectionals who's ranked in the top ten of '19 prospects (a guy BSU would be after) because he supposedly touched 91 mph once in a controlled-environment. A .500 Knightstown squad scored 4 runs on 7 hits off of him, somewhat because he didn't throw over 84-ish mph in the actual game. Similarly with hitters/fielders, it's all about bat-speed, crow-hop velocity, 60-yd dash, etc. regardless of how good of a competitor or teammate they are, or if they can actually throw that 91mph consistently for strikes. Kids are recruited way more on future potential than what they've actually accomplished so far, and oftentimes recruited without being watched in a live game. I agree with some of your comments. College Baseball coaches do watch kids play and they spend a crap load of time evaluating during the summer travel season when your better players are playing against top notch players every weekend. I think everyone on here has probably heard of the Infiana Bulls travel organizations as they are one of better programs in the Midwest. But, Indiana has established itself as a very good baseball state thanks to strong travel programs and publications like PBR who’s showcases the states top talent in one place. My middle son was considered a top 20 player according to PBR and was invited to participate in a top 100 prospect showcase down at IU the summer before his junior year. There were over 200 schools in attendance for the workouts and games. I can tell you because of this event, my son started getting a ton of Division 1 looks and ultimately was going to comitt to Purdue before his accident during spring break of his junior year that took his life. As a former high school basketball coach, I see the great benefits to recruiters and recruits to get these kids in an environment to wher you can compare. You are correct about the controlled environment but I can tell you that most of the big time programs use the summer to evaluate and use their own recruiting camps, invitation only workouts at their campuses in which they really evaluate and get an idea of the kids interest by simply going to the camp. I must say my son and family thoroughly enjoyed the process as Tyler was able to go to IU, Illinois State, Illinois, Purdue, Ohio State and others to work out and check out their facilities. So, bottom line, College coaches attend showcases but they do not make scholarship offers based on the kids results at the showcase. They use the summer travel games, just attend a few U 16 tournaments at Grand Park this summer and you will see a ton of college coaches, as well as their own invitation only workout camps to make their scholarship decisions.
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Post by CallingBS on May 26, 2018 11:56:53 GMT -6
I think some folks here are cutting Maloney a lot more slack than they're giving to Whitford. Maloney has had one really good year in his last 10 seasons of coaching between UM and BSU. He's got a .578 winning % since his return to BSU and overall a .535 since 2009. Not awful but....considering the MAC is generally the #22-23 rated baseball conference (compared to the #13 range in basketball) these results are nationally not very good. Granted, Maloney does have the historical awards if you go back far enough that Whitford has never achieved. Recruiting has changed so much for baseball since Maloney's better days. Perhaps he's too caught up in the NFL-style combine metrics that's taken over recruiting these days. College baseball coaches don't go to high school games anymore - they'd rather have the prospects pay to attend the college's meat-market Workouts and subscribe to Perfect Game and Prep Baseball Report and get analyzed through their combines. I attend a lot of Indy-area high school games and though I've sat near MLB scouts, I haven't seen a college coach at a game this whole season. I watched a pitcher the other night at Sectionals who's ranked in the top ten of '19 prospects (a guy BSU would be after) because he supposedly touched 91 mph once in a controlled-environment. A .500 Knightstown squad scored 4 runs on 7 hits off of him, somewhat because he didn't throw over 84-ish mph in the actual game. Similarly with hitters/fielders, it's all about bat-speed, crow-hop velocity, 60-yd dash, etc. regardless of how good of a competitor or teammate they are, or if they can actually throw that 91mph consistently for strikes. Kids are recruited way more on future potential than what they've actually accomplished so far, and oftentimes recruited without being watched in a live game. Comparing Maloney and Whitford is like comparing a Nissan Versa and a decked-out F-150. Whitford hasn't done anything his ENTIRE career except beat garbage pay to play teams and MAC bottom dwellers at home (and beat a very injured ND team once). Maloney has countless high RPI and power conference wins under his belt, including a handful this year. I've lurked on this site for years and never posted, but to give Whitford any rope is shameful. The guy has yet to do one thing that impressed me aside from beating ND, which was pretty meaningless in isolation. I do agree with you, though, on recruiting. The landscape has changed a great deal, that's for sure. And Maloney is in the middle of a philosophy change from power hitting teams to power pitching teams.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 26, 2018 12:00:53 GMT -6
I think some folks here are cutting Maloney a lot more slack than they're giving to Whitford. Maloney has had one really good year in his last 10 seasons of coaching between UM and BSU. He's got a .578 winning % since his return to BSU and overall a .535 since 2009. Not awful but....considering the MAC is generally the #22-23 rated baseball conference (compared to the #13 range in basketball) these results are nationally not very good. Granted, Maloney does have the historical awards if you go back far enough that Whitford has never achieved. Recruiting has changed so much for baseball since Maloney's better days. Perhaps he's too caught up in the NFL-style combine metrics that's taken over recruiting these days. College baseball coaches don't go to high school games anymore - they'd rather have the prospects pay to attend the college's meat-market Workouts and subscribe to Perfect Game and Prep Baseball Report and get analyzed through their combines. I attend a lot of Indy-area high school games and though I've sat near MLB scouts, I haven't seen a college coach at a game this whole season. I watched a pitcher the other night at Sectionals who's ranked in the top ten of '19 prospects (a guy BSU would be after) because he supposedly touched 91 mph once in a controlled-environment. A .500 Knightstown squad scored 4 runs on 7 hits off of him, somewhat because he didn't throw over 84-ish mph in the actual game. Similarly with hitters/fielders, it's all about bat-speed, crow-hop velocity, 60-yd dash, etc. regardless of how good of a competitor or teammate they are, or if they can actually throw that 91mph consistently for strikes. Kids are recruited way more on future potential than what they've actually accomplished so far, and oftentimes recruited without being watched in a live game. If more people followed baseball other than die hards im sure there would be more pressure from some. As far as the recruiting thats norm across all sports now. Basketball does go to some high school but mostly its all AAU/film Foototball is 90% camps/film/and 7v7 tourneys.. Staff is rarely if ever at a high school game. Not sure I like it but it is what it is and does help a school like BSU who does not have the manpower or resources to by flying coaches around the country.
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