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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 6, 2018 17:28:36 GMT -6
Some things Ive noticed our high targets are really starting to rack up offers.. Lots of Kids we have offered are moving into double digit offers..
Then we have the low hanging fruit kids with 1 or 2 offers... Reaches, longshots, under recruited, Hidden Gems What ever you want to call them..
So the question is do you keep dumping resources into trying to grab one or two kids we have no business normally getting.. Do we stop offering kids who have no other or maybe 1 offer.. These kids often end up committing and then do nothing. Yes there are instances where a one offer kid has came in and been a star but for every one of those I can give you 30 misses.
What if as a rule of thumb we were never a kids first, second or 8th 9th or 10th offer.. What if we focused on Kids with 3-7 offers an threw everything we had at them? We might miss a kid or two or not land a sure fire stud but we would have a roster full of mid level to maybe a few high level MAC players.. Its probably not a way to ever make a national noise but it is a way avoid a shit show.. Think Ohio very rarely do they have a star but they are usually always in a bowl and rarely field a turd of a team.
Thoughts of Most years being 6,7,8 wins maybe getting 10 every great once in a while with a MAC championship mixed it
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Post by cardfan on Jun 6, 2018 18:37:49 GMT -6
Totally get what you’re saying. Our recruiting has been feast or famine with not enough in the solid middle. I’d love to get a bunch of bcs level guys but it just isn’t going to happen. Toledo and Wmu are the schools of choice in the Mac. Miami is fast getting up there. The flashy athletes pick UT and Wmu. Schools like niu and ou who are regularly in the norm picture mostly recruit really solid guys sprinkled with a few standouts. Then they coach the hell out of them. We need to take that approach. Quite honestly I’m concerned about the coaching the hell out of them part. Especially the defense.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 6, 2018 20:05:33 GMT -6
Good point about the need to spend time to pursue any recruit. Can't do a good job with that many, and the best recruits require a good job. You can do a great job and come in second. Then there went a lot of time you wish you had spent elsewhere.
Generals theory that "recruiters recruit" just isn't that simple a story.
Have to choose the targets, and sometimes that is just good luck you went after the right kid.
And building a good program makes you more lucky, lets you aim higher more often. Rich get richer.
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Post by redbirdman on Jun 7, 2018 9:02:37 GMT -6
I think Neu & the present coaching staff are having a hard time recruiting. When you look back at our most successful coaches since we were in the MAC one thing is the same they were all from Ohio- McClain,Hoke,& Schudel with MAC backgrounds. They recruited Ohio 1st then Indiana & Michigan & Illinois.
Maybe Neu can win recruiting the south & but it has never happened here before. While I hope it happens if the record for the next 2 seasons is not at .500 I doubt he is here.
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Post by cbcjanney on Jun 7, 2018 9:04:31 GMT -6
I overall agree with the strategy you're putting out there. The only drawback I'd see with that philosophy is that it still seems like a degree of kids attribute their eventual decision with who was in on them early or from the beginning. Obviously if we wait to see if someone has too many or too few offers, we're inherently coming in near the end with our offer. It seems right now we kind of prefer being amongst the first to offer, but ultimately as you say either too many others follow or no one else offers after us.
My recent BSU grad has been trying to find a job along with many other fresh out-of-college folks. I encouraged him to not spend too much time on seeking the "shoot-for-the-moon" openings unless there's some personal connection that might give him an edge, or get his resume in front of the right people instead of others. Seems our recruiting strategy of the high-star prospects might work the same way - not sure about us wasting time on some of these power-6 type guys unless we have that connection like knowing a coach involved, have a current player who is a friend, grew up in same town, etc.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 7, 2018 9:11:28 GMT -6
I overall agree with the strategy you're putting out there. The only drawback I'd see with that philosophy is that it still seems like a degree of kids attribute their eventual decision with who was in on them early or from the beginning. Obviously if we wait to see if someone has too many or too few offers, we're inherently coming in near the end with our offer. It seems right now we kind of prefer being amongst the first to offer, but ultimately as you say either too many others follow or no one else offers after us. My recent BSU grad has been trying to find a job along with many other fresh out-of-college folks. I encouraged him to not spend too much time on seeking the "shoot-for-the-moon" openings unless there's some personal connection that might give him an edge, or get his resume in front of the right people instead of others. Seems our recruiting strategy of the high-star prospects might work the same way - not sure about us wasting time on some of these power-6 type guys unless we have that connection like knowing a coach involved, have a current player who is a friend, grew up in same town, etc. I get that and there is some truth to that for sure... I think being someones third offer might be close enough to the start assuming the kid is going to be in that 3-7 offer range, if our recruiters are good. Get targets watch them see 1 fbs school offer ramp up talks see the 2nd offer from another FBS pounce same day and do not stop.. Do not offer a kid with two FCS offers and end up being his only FBS offer
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 7, 2018 9:14:34 GMT -6
Jumping in late after a kid who has 8.9.10 offers seems silly to me unless there is a connection or other inside knowledge.. You used to be able to do this in January after kids offers went away because they waited too long.. Now with the early signing period everything is different
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Post by cardfan on Jun 7, 2018 9:21:30 GMT -6
Yeah when I see tweets that say “blessed to receive my 12th offer from Ball St” it makes me wonder why we offered at this point other than we are well connected to that kid’s coaching staff.
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Post by bsu0 on Jun 7, 2018 9:40:51 GMT -6
Gotta due some serious homework on the kids with multiple big time offers. But if we take care on who we target I think we can land our share. Can't put all your eggs in one basket. Gotta have a mix of all of the above.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 7, 2018 9:59:08 GMT -6
Gotta due some serious homework on the kids with multiple big time offers. But if we take care on who we target I think we can land our share. Can't put all your eggs in one basket. Gotta have a mix of all of the above. Problem is that 10 offers means your share is 1 in 10... Do a great job, really great with them, AND they actually do fit well, you improve your odds to 1 in 3. Perfect fit, great job, it still isn't a sure thing, you are talking kids often making epic bad decisions to start with.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 7, 2018 10:44:19 GMT -6
Gotta due some serious homework on the kids with multiple big time offers. But if we take care on who we target I think we can land our share. Can't put all your eggs in one basket. Gotta have a mix of all of the above. yea you have to try but I think your shot at getting the kid with multiple 10 plus comes from being that 3-5 school that offers. Jumping in late and being that 10th offer just seems like a waste with the current state of our program. The only time that has ever worked for us was way late in the process with a kid who might have some grade issues or a kid who had these offers but he waited to long and they went away... See a bunch of kids from the 2016 I think class... Huntley, Holmes,Gibbs, Newton etc...
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Post by Bigfoot on Jun 7, 2018 15:30:38 GMT -6
I think you make the offers to all that can play at the MAC and above. You don’t waste time and resources if the kid shows zero interest beyond “blessed to receive blah, blah, blah”.
Kids with high potential that genuinely express interest beyond just being courteous you move forward with and see how receptive they are etc. etc.!
Parental feedback and that of the HS coach is critical.
We are severely challenged by the lack of an indoor facility which screams “institutional complacency ” when compared to virtually every other FBS program let alone the MAC.
I often ask myself how I would recruit AGAINST BSU and the answers are obvious and indefensible IMO.
We obviously have lots going for ourselves but are slowly dying by being always behind the 8 ball!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 15:36:35 GMT -6
I really believe that losing men's track and field has hurt us. The game is all about speed these days.
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Post by cardrock on Jun 11, 2018 10:13:35 GMT -6
I would imagine recruiting has to be the hardest part of college football. Limited amount of time to get to really know the kid. Have to zero in on the qualities & sometimes end up just pulling the trigger. And for a kid to move from high school to college can’t be easy even for the gifted kid.
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