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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 9:36:40 GMT -6
Special on Duke recruiting/coaching today. Coach said every, every Duke player must be able to hit open threes. Their philosophy also. That's clearly why we recruited Walton. Walton is averaging 6 turnovers per 40 minutes played, I have never seen that from a non point guard. It's just absurd.....................
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Post by cardfan on Nov 17, 2018 10:09:40 GMT -6
That's clearly why we recruited Walton. Walton is averaging 6 turnovers per 40 minutes played, I have never seen that from a non point guard. It's just absurd..................... Great athlete. Not a basketball player. No feel.
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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 10:16:18 GMT -6
Walton is averaging 6 turnovers per 40 minutes played, I have never seen that from a non point guard. It's just absurd..................... Great athlete. Not a basketball player. No feel. My question would be, does he practice differently ? Because if not this should have been corrected early last season. This guy is forth year junior, if he can't learn his role bench him.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2018 10:16:46 GMT -6
OTOH Sherm, if you go for the typical beefy big guy who can't shoot, you have no guarantee he'll ever be better than a depth player. My prejudice is to have one of those guys on the roster. But you have to go after the best mid major guys who are more versatile. We haven't hit on that, but not due to lack of effort. And
The really good MAC post talents, you may be right want assurance they'll get the ball a lot. No easy answer here. Which is why only 2 or 3 teams have good centers of either variety.
That to me is a good argument to go for best available player.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2018 10:19:03 GMT -6
Walton is averaging 6 turnovers per 40 minutes played, I have never seen that from a non point guard. It's just absurd..................... Great tathlete. Not a basketball player. No feel. Y Can't disagree strongly. But some of this is being aggressive which will pay off in MAC. These athletes have taken away a lot of his game.
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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 10:20:23 GMT -6
. But you have to go after the best mid major guys who are more versatile. Yeah but we currently aren't getting those guys either.
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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 10:26:46 GMT -6
Great tathlete. Not a basketball player. No feel. Y Can't disagree strongly. But some of this is being aggressive which will pay off in MAC. These athletes have taken away a lot of his game. Or it could be when you bring in a knucklehead, you get a knucklehead. He should know what his athleticism will or won't accomplish by his fourth year.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 17, 2018 10:45:38 GMT -6
Great tathlete. Not a basketball player. No feel. Y Can't disagree strongly. But some of this is being aggressive which will pay off in MAC. These athletes have taken away a lot of his game. Oh I agree he can get more with his athleticism in the MAC, but he’ll still hurt us quite a bit with lack of judgement.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2018 11:07:47 GMT -6
Can't disagree strongly. But some of this is being aggressive which will pay off in MAC. These athletes have taken away a lot of his game. Or it could be when you bring in a knucklehead, you get a knucklehead. He should know what his athleticism will or won't accomplish by his fourth year. I see. I just don't agree that players can never develop and improve. And this is a player who can be a good MAC player at his current level even with some disappointing and frustrating lapses. He has big time athletic ability which it takes other big time athletes to counter. If he wasn't prone to some errors he'd still be starting in the SEC and happy there.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2018 11:16:17 GMT -6
. But you have to go after the best mid major guys who are more versatile. Yeah but we currently aren't getting those guys either. I see your point there. It's tough going against the bigger schools where we have typically lost out in that respect. But, we are in the mix for those quality players, I agree its disappointing we have not usually signed the ones we wanted most.
I do think we could have one in Teague, and may have players like Mallers and Hazen who can be very good starter in the MAC at either forward. Since I believe you once thought Mallers could never start at all and have been proven wrong, forgive me for not having total confidence in your opinion. Hazen was considered the better recruit, we do have him now. Neither has quite the size we want, but both are good recruits.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2018 11:18:00 GMT -6
Great athlete. Not a basketball player. No feel. My question would be, does he practice differently ? Because if not this should have been corrected early last season. This guy is forth year junior, if he can't learn his role bench him. Why have what is a good MAC player on the bench because he is not ideal? Who would you play in front of him?
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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 13:30:42 GMT -6
Yeah but we currently aren't getting those guys either. , I agree its disappointing we have not usually signed the ones we wanted most.
Oh please, Zach Gunn, Teague and Acree were all priority targets in their respective classes.
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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 13:43:05 GMT -6
My question would be, does he practice differently ? Because if not this should have been corrected early last season. This guy is forth year junior, if he can't learn his role bench him. Why have what is a good MAC player on the bench because he is not ideal? Who would you play in front of him? Because disciplining a player like him usually has a net positive result. Both his offensive and defensive stats suck, he has and O rating of 88 and a D rating of 114 and his combined +/- is a -6.1, by far the lowest on the team. To be honest at this point I'd shuffle the line-up and start El-Amin.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2018 14:09:00 GMT -6
, I agree its disappointing we have not usually signed the ones we wanted most.
Oh please, Zach Gunn, Teague and Acree were all priority targets in their respective classes. We did well to get those guys it is true, but weren't we talking mostly about where we may have missed on priority big men. Acree not a big at all, and arguably Gunn and Taj were in the "best player" category, too. We have done reasonably well there. Our failure to get an out of the box big man is hardly unusual but it is the thing we have biggest regret about. My point was more that it isn't we have not pursued those players. Often enough, it seems to me, it is because we were going for big guys who ended up at higher level programs.
Whether it is better to get a couple of big lugs with lesser skills and hope to build them into pure post players is an option. But I am sympathetic enough with not doing that. I'd like to have one or two such players on the roster, I suppose, but would much rather have Acree, Hazen, and KJ where we probably had to make an actual choice like that.
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Post by sweep on Nov 17, 2018 14:27:14 GMT -6
Oh please, Zach Gunn, Teague and Acree were all priority targets in their respective classes. Gunn and Taj were in the "best player" category, too. Wow, my point was our talent evaluation involving our priority targets leaves a lot to be desired.
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