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Nov 19, 2018 8:09:48 GMT -6
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 19, 2018 8:09:48 GMT -6
Really out of context using my statement Halftime.
I’m simply suggesting our play against VT was decent other than a bad 5 minute stretch.
Versus Alabama we played poorly although TP was off having been banged up against VT but he’s a gamer.
We should not have let App State back in but they did hit 3 threes in a row; overall we played pretty well.
I’d did not suggest hanging any banners but unlike you I see a good season and I’m not nearly ready to bury this team yet
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 8:32:47 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Nov 19, 2018 8:32:47 GMT -6
Free throw shooting saved us today. Does anyone else see this as a problem. Shots Taken Ball State 65 Indiana State 67 Ball State 52 Purdue 69 Ball State 52 Virginia Tech 63 Ball State 49 Alabama 65 Ball State 59 Appalachian State 72 Looking at this mornings advanced stats there are a couple of things that stand out. Our offensive FG attempts per game stands at 55.4 which ranks #272 and our defensive field goal attempts given up is 67.2 (#336). Here are two things killing us, a collective assist/turnover of .847 (#222) combined with a defensive rebound percentage of 66.3 (#300). We aren't hitting the defensive boards and are turning the ball over way too frequently given our ability to create good shots.
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 8:38:07 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Nov 19, 2018 8:38:07 GMT -6
Really out of context using my statement Halftime. I’m simply suggesting our play against VT was decent other than a bad 5 minute stretch. Versus Alabama we played poorly although TP was off having been banged up against VT but he’s a gamer. We should not have let App State back in but they did hit 3 threes in a row; overall we played pretty well. I’d did not suggest hanging any banners but unlike you I see a good season and I’m not nearly ready to bury this team yet Has it occurred to you we hardly got the best play from either Purdue or VT, yet we still weren't in either game in the second half. I have said it since Whitfords first season, BSU has all the hallmarks of a team that doesn't really get after it in practice, at least not compared to successful programs. It's part of the reason we reach for 50/50 balls instead of jumping on them, and fail to block out on defensive rebounds. When is the last time Whitford kicked someone out of practice for just going through the motions, my bet is, it has never happened.
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 9:05:45 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Nov 19, 2018 9:05:45 GMT -6
Free throw shooting saved us today. Does anyone else see this as a problem. Shots Taken Ball State 65 Indiana State 67 Ball State 52 Purdue 69 Ball State 52 Virginia Tech 63 Ball State 49 Alabama 65 Ball State 59 Appalachian State 72 Looking at this mornings advanced stats there are a couple of things that stand out. Our offensive FG attempts per game stands at 55.4 which ranks #272 and our defensive field goal attempts given up is 67.2 (#336). Here are two things killing us, a collective assist/turnover of .847 (#222) combined with a defensive rebound percentage of 66.3 (#300). We aren't hitting the defensive boards and we turning the ball over way too much given our ability to create good shots. The original question about shots taken was a good one. In theory this could reflect a number of things, some not too troubling. For example if we were getting to the foul line a lot like we did for a stretch against App State, we won't get shots. If we are turning the ball over without getting a shot, very bad news. Failure to get our share of offensive boards could certainly be a problem, but if we were shooting lights out, and holding opponents to a low fg%, not as big a problem.
Your post burrows down to look at issues like that and I think you are right to look at whether we are turning the ball over excessively, not as sure it is about assisted baskets. You have motivated me to look over our stats more closely when I have time and look at the number of possessions we are getting (and losing) maybe do some TENDEX or some similar stat lines on our players and see how this all works out.
Here is a caveat. To some extent the good opposition explains poor statistical showing especially the turnover and rebounding issues, and probably impacts other stats as well.
I am pretty sure the coaches agree that if we are playing good teams we need to block out better and control defensive boards. Basketball 101.
Also, against these last three teams the guards we faced were pretty good, and I do think that had some impact on Persons and KJ. They need to improve though. Josh in particular looked overwhelmed in these games. Ish seemed to respond better than I expected.
The trouble is that looking at any given stat there are multiple issues raised. Other things to look at may be our shooting percentage and quality of shots after the pass.
Like it our not, it is also I suppose possible that because KJ and Persons are both shoot first guards, the assist issue isn't such bad news as it seems, and won't hurt so much if they actually score(KJ in he App State game for example). And when they do pass the recipient of the pass must be scoring! After all they can improve in this stat if the guys they pass to actually make shots. Trey has an abysmal shooting percentage on some very good looks. Also, whether we can improve and make more assisted baskets may be an area in which we can improve only if we can get out an run more get easy baskets.
But you are right that stat compared to other teams raises issues.
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Post by bsu0 on Nov 19, 2018 9:29:42 GMT -6
Not rebounding on the defensive board? BLOCK OUT. I literally learned how to block out in my first organized practice in fourth grade by coach Ernie Sample who was a Ball Grad and our principal. No one follows their shot to the basket anymore or blocks out. If your team has a lack of fundamentals better to go back to some basic rebound and follow your shot drills. Watch how many times a player takes a jumper and watches it and hope it goes in so he can pound his chest. If a player on my team watched his shots I would have his ass pounding the bench not his chest. Good teams are teams that PRACTICE AND PLAY with good fundamentals.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 19, 2018 9:40:52 GMT -6
Really out of context using my statement Halftime. I’m simply suggesting our play against VT was decent other than a bad 5 minute stretch. Versus Alabama we played poorly although TP was off having been banged up against VT but he’s a gamer. We should not have let App State back in but they did hit 3 threes in a row; overall we played pretty well. I’d did not suggest hanging any banners but unlike you I see a good season and I’m not nearly ready to bury this team yet I have said it since Whitfords first season, BSU has all the hallmarks of a team that doesn't really get after it in practice, at least not compared to successful programs. It's part of the reason we reach for 50/50 balls instead of jumping on them, and fail to block out on defensive rebounds. When is the last time Whitford kicked someone out of practice for just going through the motions, my bet is, it has never happened. You would lose the bet, but then you wouldn't really make a bet anyway. Haven't done so yet, despite having the Kid offering awfully good odds.
But on the substance, I disagree. Our practices are pretty good. Maybe in some ways better this year since with Thomas, Acree, Coleman as they have adjusted to college play, our starters face opposition more like the athletes we have seen in our schedule so far. We do not have the big guys that the better teams do, which is just one more reason we should recruit a couple of big lugs who play hard on every roster.
Over his time here, we had some time where practice was a struggle since we just didn't have players, due to to injury and short rosters. But generally practices have been pretty normal for D1 teams, that said.
Whitford has disciplined players for practice performance. As is pretty much standard for college teams, not only keeps stats and film on all scrimmage action in practice and uses it.
Bottom line, I'd say we have had more players who have had trouble translating good practice into game action than the other way. Probably to be expected. KJ looks to me better in game action than in practice, and Teague is inconsistent in both practice and games. Moses has been in a funk, actually more so in practice than the recent games. These are key players who can improve. Ish, Hazen, Gunn, and Nehls have had some good practice, but not played particularly well in game action in this competition off the bench either.
I agree with the Kid, we faced good competition, played better than you are giving us credit for and have plenty of chance to improve.
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 9:49:27 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Nov 19, 2018 9:49:27 GMT -6
Really out of context using my statement Halftime. Has it occurred to you we hardly got the best play from either Purdue or VT, yet we still weren't in either game in the second half. Those teams actually played fairly well. The relatively close margin and our lead at times in a competitive game was mostly that we played well. True enough, as a good team should, they kept control to seal the deal in the second half. Both teams used their best players for all but a few minutes in the game. VT especially would have much preferred to rest some good players but were unable to do so. Both had good players come in and play well from the bench.
I do agree the final margin in both games was slightly closer as we hit shots at the end. But, just as we had App St in the bag with a minute to go, those points at the end do still count. We need to hit those same shots earlier in coming games against good competition....
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 10:37:35 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Nov 19, 2018 10:37:35 GMT -6
I have said it since Whitfords first season, BSU has all the hallmarks of a team that doesn't really get after it in practice, at least not compared to successful programs. It's part of the reason we reach for 50/50 balls instead of jumping on them, and fail to block out on defensive rebounds. When is the last time Whitford kicked someone out of practice for just going through the motions, my bet is, it has never happened.
But on the substance, I disagree. Our practices are pretty good.
not only keeps stats and film on all scrimmage action in practice and uses it.
Well if "pretty good" is your standard. Wow he "keeps stats" and uses video, so does every High School coach.
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Post by sweep on Nov 19, 2018 10:42:27 GMT -6
I have said it since Whitfords first season, BSU has all the hallmarks of a team that doesn't really get after it in practice, at least not compared to successful programs. It's part of the reason we reach for 50/50 balls instead of jumping on them, and fail to block out on defensive rebounds. When is the last time Whitford kicked someone out of practice for just going through the motions, my bet is, it has never happened.
Bottom line, I'd say we have had more players who have had trouble translating good practice into game action than the other way. What the f--k does that mean other than Whitford's idea of a "good practice", in reality isn't. Sheesh............ Good Lord you are a blowhard......................
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 12:22:23 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 19, 2018 12:22:23 GMT -6
OK sweep.
To suit you, no discussion.
You're wrong about practice! Your speculation about it BS.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 19, 2018 13:27:11 GMT -6
Well basketball season is back in full force
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Post by cardfan on Nov 19, 2018 13:36:48 GMT -6
Right where we left off last season.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 19, 2018 13:42:00 GMT -6
I can't believe most of you guys. I was up all night celebrating that we didn't finish last in the tournament. I was shocked to see that some of you still can't be happy.
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Post by realitycheck on Nov 19, 2018 14:39:24 GMT -6
To be completely transparent, I totally forgot we played yesterday until I pulled up TSP late yesterday. I am happy we didn't roll up a goose egg in this event which would have been disastrous for 2/3 of us, completely ignored by another 15% and completely OK by the NJ's/JS's.
After basically getting "little brothered" by the power 5's I'm gonna need us to house a couple of no name teams to get me interested again and we need to handle Eville and IUPUI like we did Indiana State to get me semi-optimistic. Right now I'm leaning apathetic. Trying to care more.
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App St
Nov 19, 2018 16:28:27 GMT -6
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 19, 2018 16:28:27 GMT -6
The board is nearly back to normal other than some needing to change their name to post again!
Actually why would one change their board name???
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