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Post by universityjim on Jan 4, 2019 7:09:49 GMT -6
Ball State has allowed 80+ points to be scored against us only three times this season. We are 1-2 in those games. Ball State has allowed 70+ points to be scored against us only five times this season. We are 4-4 in those games.
The threshold seems to be 75 points. We have lost only once this season when we have held teams to less than 75 points.
The most Toledo has scored against teams in the top 200 is 77. That happened in wins over Penn and Louisiana. They scored 67 in their win against #99 UC Irvine.
We have scored less than 77 points only four times this season. We are 1-3 in those games. The three losses were to Purdue, Virginia Tech, and Alabama. We won with 75 against Loyola.
Toledo has allowed teams to score 70 points or more only four times this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 7:15:04 GMT -6
Stop the madness! Statistical logic is illogical. 🖖
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Jan 4, 2019 8:00:51 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Jan 4, 2019 8:44:49 GMT -6
Toledo 82-bsu 71.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 4, 2019 8:50:19 GMT -6
Factual argument here that MAC is strongest in its history this year.
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Post by sweep on Jan 4, 2019 9:09:11 GMT -6
Factual argument here that MAC is strongest in its history this year.
Oh yeah, the MAC will be putting three teams in the tourney this year.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 4, 2019 9:34:37 GMT -6
Factual argument here that MAC is strongest in its history this year.
Oh yeah, the MAC will be putting three teams in the tourney this year. The article makes a decent argument about the league's strength top to bottom.
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Post by universityjim on Jan 4, 2019 9:36:04 GMT -6
The MAC is not stronger than it has ever been. The talent in college basketball is more spread out. Pair this with stronger conferences pulling the better teams from conferences like the MVC and A10 (for example) and the MAC's ranking in comparison to the 30+ other conferences is higher. This should not be confused with the quality of basketball being played. It is better than is was 3-5 years ago no question, but compared to the 1990's no way.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 4, 2019 9:55:58 GMT -6
Exactly right, UJ.
Other than buffalo none of the other Mac teams are truly capable of any kind of tourney run.
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Post by sweep on Jan 4, 2019 9:56:38 GMT -6
Oh yeah, the MAC will be putting three teams in the tourney this year. The article makes a decent argument about the league's strength top to bottom. It's pre-conference numbers. The better conferences are just now getting into the meat of their season SOS, the MAC is just the opposite. The MAC conference SOS rank going forward is 22. Right now the Ivy League is ranked above the Mo. Valley , the A-10, and Conference USA. Do you think that's accurate ?
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Post by cardfan on Jan 4, 2019 10:10:32 GMT -6
Our rating will plummet as we play each other
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 4, 2019 10:11:17 GMT -6
The MAC is not stronger than it has ever been. The talent in college basketball is more spread out. Pair this with stronger conferences pulling the better teams from conferences like the MVC and A10 (for example) and the MAC's ranking in comparison to the 30+ other conferences is higher. This should not be confused with the quality of basketball being played. It is better than is was 3-5 years ago no question, but compared to the 1990's no way. Good points.
We could argue there were years in the 90's where the MAC teams didn't get credit for being as good as they actually were, I agree there. And your argument where we take individual teams and imagine them playing in today's game is an interesting one.
But, it is not slam dunk argument either. Which rules would we use? Would our own smash mouth style be allowed today, for example?
The idea that talent is spread out cuts both ways. The top teams probably have at least equal talent today. They all recruit nationally and they all benefit from better information about top recruits and TV coverage of their games. In the 90's IU had their games televised in state, but not so much true for Purdue, and very few teams got as much national TV as most do now.
When we are talking the next group down in the top 100 I am not sure teams are weaker today, if so not by much though. It was a bit easier then for a mid major to get and keep the next level of players after those 4 star players. Yes. Sometimes. Majerus for example could create a turn around quickly and brought in some damned good transfers and could keep them eligible a bit easier than today. More under the radar local talent a school might snag. And keep. But mid majors now benefit from that TV exposure and can much more easily recruit that next level player. The schools like BSU still lose most top talent to the top teams, probably would never get a Bonzi Wells, but have a better chance in many ways to get good 3 star players from outside their recruiting footprint. And, to get good transfers.
Bottom line, you have to admit the MAC may not have ever had very many if any clearly better team than Buffalo this year, they are kicking ass. And BSU,Toledo are top 100. That is up there. Not sure the top 100 is a lot easier to crack now.
Good discussion topic.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 4, 2019 10:37:53 GMT -6
Its getting awfully smart in here.
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Post by mattg on Jan 4, 2019 10:40:16 GMT -6
I watched the game that Toledo lost, as my younger brothers go to Wright State where the game was played. Toledo got out hustled and relied on the 3 a lot. Wright State is an ok team, but Toledo is more athletic, so I think this game was their version of our Evansville game that we lost.
Matchup-wise, I’m not sure what we will do on Knapke. He can play outside and inside effectively as a big man. Maybe Teague guards him instead of Trey? Their other bigger forward Navigato also shoots on the perimeter so I’m not sure how we handle this one. Sanford for them is their main shooter. I think KJ on him is ideal.
Our starting 5 is better than theirs in my opinion, but dang we are thin on the bench now which is concerning. Hopefully we can stay out of foul trouble. We should also be very fresh, so I hope to see that same hustle that Wright State used on Toledo.
One last note, was it last years game at Toledo where Tayler went off for like close to 30 points? I remember him hitting a ton of 3’s that game! Would love to see him get hot there again tonight! Big game for us!
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 4, 2019 10:56:41 GMT -6
Our rating will plummet as we play each other Plummet? I see the argument for a drop. Relative to the top conferences our in conference schedules are significantly weaker.
Our relatively high current standing should make the drop less severe than it usually is.
But compared to MVC and other conferences ranked just below us, I don't see that. We should maintain the league ranking. Maybe the conferences now just above us will gain a little separation, but not that much.
As for our top teams, as long as our top 3 continue winning games in conference they will stay high. Especially in RPI. Wins count a lot there. Have to win by a good margin to stay high in power ratings.
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