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Post by bsu0 on Jan 23, 2019 12:40:32 GMT -6
I know I may be beating a dead horse but I watched the ENTIRE second half of the UCLA/USC game on TV this past weekend and there was not ONE time any player followed his shot to the basket to rebound and get an easy two...NOT ONE TIME!!!!! In fact Bill Raftery the color man on the broadcast once mentioned how pretty it was to see a player pose after taking a shot. Raftery was an old school coach at Seton Hall back in the day and he doesn't even know enough to coach fundamentals. I should have counted the number of times players did not block out, but I can't count that high. If teams took high percentage shots, followed them to the basket for easy put backs, blocked out, and set effective picks they would be surprised how many more games they might win.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 23, 2019 12:50:30 GMT -6
I just do not think offensive rebounding is a thing for most teams anymore
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 23, 2019 13:17:29 GMT -6
I really think that most players never have coaches teach it or disregard it by the time they reach hs. Having coached both girls & boys 14 & under the girls do a much better job of trying to do what their taught & I think women's college games show more fundamental plays. The boys if they think their good are going their own way by age 12.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 23, 2019 13:27:18 GMT -6
Both of the above prove my point...kids are not taught fundamentals. I think coaches are afraid the kids won't play unless they ''create''. One can't play the piano unless they start with learning middle C first and you cant play a sport well without learning and utilizing the basics. Give me a team that uses good fundamental play versus a team that stands around and lets one players create and guess who will win a majority of the time?
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Post by CallingBS on Jan 23, 2019 16:30:13 GMT -6
Both of the above prove my point...kids are not taught fundamentals. I think coaches are afraid the kids won't play unless they ''create''. One can't play the piano unless they start with learning middle C first and you cant play a sport well without learning and utilizing the basics. Give me a team that uses good fundamental play versus a team that stands around and lets one players create and guess who will win a majority of the time? The good teams are taught fundamentals and expected to play fundamentally sound ball or get yanked. |
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 23, 2019 19:33:41 GMT -6
Callingbs...I am not sure what your point is but if it is to bolster my statement I agree.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 23, 2019 21:22:32 GMT -6
Old school coaches teaching blocking out and getting back on defense to prevent easy baskets. Just a thought, but BOTH of those good fundamentals make offensive rebounding less likely to be the responsibility of an outside shooter.
There is a case for the outside shooter not to follow shots based on both unlikely success and need to get back.
Might also blame the 3pfg...where you are further away plus there are more long rebounds and an outside shooter might be wise to be looking for that possible rebound more than crashing the boards.
The great offensive rebounders are often guys away from the shot or inside shooters who hit the boards after a miss, often after others keep his missed shot alive.
Majerus teams were great in that department.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 24, 2019 12:53:45 GMT -6
Give me a team that shoots high percentage shots, follows their shots, blocks out (which most teams do not very well), plays defense with their hands in the air, do not forget foul shots, in other words techniques many of us were taught in Jr. and Senior High and I will win a sh*tpot full of games. All sports come down to basics. This game is not rocket science, it is five team members and a ball IF the school has purchased any lately.
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Post by proctorp on Jan 24, 2019 18:33:36 GMT -6
Most of the international NBA guys are very good fundamentally. IMO it is not stressed as much as it needs to be in junior high and high school levels. I sure do not see the AAU circuit stressing them.
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Post by bsu0 on Jan 24, 2019 22:54:54 GMT -6
AAU is not known for it's defensive techniques or great offensive patterns.
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Post by comet on Jan 25, 2019 7:28:59 GMT -6
Had a guy tell me the other night that his main gripe with Whitford was that he does nothing when players take "poor" shorts. Forced shots, shots thrown-up with nigh a pass on the possession, guys basically playing selfish and trying to just go one on one and etc.
His comments were that even though Buckley, back in his day, had a lot of faults, if you took shots like described above, you soon found yourself setting on the bench.
Our discussion was, during the Miami game, that we would get back to one or two points down and sure enough someone has to take charge and be the hero, even though we weren't close to the end of the game, and bust ass down the court and take some ridiculous hurried shot, without any repercussions for having done so.
I guess this just really fits in with all these other fundamental discussions, but it really is bad most of the time.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 25, 2019 7:51:35 GMT -6
That’s aau style ball. As Persons said, “whit let’s us do us.” They like the freedom to just throw crap up and make lazy passes. And yell at the coach.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 25, 2019 10:37:24 GMT -6
That’s aau style ball. As Persons said, “whit let’s us do us.” They like the freedom to just throw crap up and make lazy passes. And yell at the coach. That's what is referred to as "being a player's coach." |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 25, 2019 12:47:56 GMT -6
Had a guy tell me the other night that his main gripe with Whitford was that he does nothing when players take "poor" shorts. Forced shots, shots thrown-up with nigh a pass on the possession, guys basically playing selfish and trying to just go one on one and etc. His comments were that even though Buckley, back in his day, had a lot of faults, if you took shots like described above, you soon found yourself setting on the bench. Our discussion was, during the Miami game, that we would get back to one or two points down and sure enough someone has to take charge and be the hero, even though we weren't close to the end of the game, and bust ass down the court and take some ridiculous hurried shot, without any repercussions for having done so. I guess this just really fits in with all these other fundamental discussions, but it really is bad most of the time. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 25, 2019 12:48:30 GMT -6
I agree but who are we going to put in
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