|
|
Post by williamtsherman on Sept 29, 2019 16:58:38 GMT -6
Yes, I use "InPrivate window" all the time to read newspaper stuff, but this particular article seems to have a higher level of restriction.
|
|
|
|
Post by cedarpointer on Sept 29, 2019 17:53:41 GMT -6
I strongly feel that BSU should drop to the FCS level. Trying to compete in a false arms race in the FBS is nonsense. The program does not draw more than a solid 10-14 per home game on good weather days. We have all forgotten about what football is like on a November Saturday. FCS is where we should be. Join MVC, OVC or Horizon for basketball and find a football conference.. I think the MAC in general would benefit from the drop, while still maintaining continuity.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 18:47:50 GMT -6
Sounds like all the same ridiculous stuff that's been rehashed a million times. "The benefits side is not very clearly justified" because, of course, the benefits don't remotely justify the huge cost, and an honest, straight-forward evaluation would necessarily look awful. And, by the way, the situation is fundamentally the same at ALL mac schools. They all lose a boatload of money. In fact, I think it's possible more that more football "success", as it's defined in the mac, leads to a worse financial situation. Going to the sort of bowls that are realistic targets for the mac is just another additional money loss. And if lightening strikes, as it did for NIU and the Orange Bowl some years back, then you can REALLY lose some big money due to the tickets that have to be eaten due to the tiny size of the fanbase willing to travel. (And you also get the pleasure of being openly insulted by the bowl officials at bowl activities, because THEY DON'T WANT YOU THERE.) Amazingly enough, 00 sums up the situation pretty well and succinctly: "The other talking point is basically that since everyone else does it, it's not as bad as it looks, must be OK." Can we assume you are now an on-line subscriber due to the “teaser headline”? |
|
|
|
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 30, 2019 6:58:16 GMT -6
Someone mentioned TV revenue, and I thought I'd point out that football is separated out in the ESPN contract.
ESPN pays rights fees for all sports. As part of that, schools put together the bulk of the broadcasts, but not football, in exchange for about $660k per year (from what I've been able to gather). Each school spends anywhere from $100k to $300k to do these games, so they turn a profit in that regard.
ESPN wants the MAC schools to start doing football as well, for an additional, unspecified amount. From what I hear, the ADs said no thanks, because most schools don't have good enough equipment, and the cost to buy what they need would eat most of ONE year's ESPN revenue.
BTW, guess which school has the equipment already? Sun Belt and C-USA do their own football games. Not sure why the MAC is balking.
|
|
|
|
Post by cardfan on Sept 30, 2019 7:13:59 GMT -6
Bsu is ahead of the curve with respect to the equipment and talent for Tv production.
|
|
|
|
Post by williamtsherman on Sept 30, 2019 8:02:29 GMT -6
My expectation would be that the MAC will end up paying these costs due to their total disregard for losing money on football and also ESPN's stronger bargaining position. MAC vs MAC football usually brings about a 0.3 rating or less and can be easily replaced with low cost highlights, taped show replays, or studio talk shows. For comparison, the "Kid's Baking Championship" show on the Food Network also gets around a 0.3 rating. By the way, if you've ever wondered what happened to Valerie Bertinelli, that's where she can be found. Maybe the MAC football broadcasts could work in Mackenzie Phillips somehow?
|
|
|
|
Post by JacksonStreetElite on Sept 30, 2019 8:09:24 GMT -6
The cost-benefit analysis is easy when the people who benefit don't bear the cost.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 30, 2019 8:17:16 GMT -6
Bsu is ahead of the curve with respect to the equipment and talent for Tv production. No kidding. BSU is the only school that would be able to do football immediately. They've put together some really good facilities. |
|
|
|
Post by sweep on Sept 30, 2019 10:19:14 GMT -6
I strongly feel that BSU should drop to the FCS level. Trying to compete in a false arms race in the FBS is nonsense. The program does not draw more than a solid 10-14 per home game on good weather days. We have all forgotten about what football is like on a November Saturday. FCS is where we should be. Join MVC, OVC or Horizon for basketball and find a football conference.. I think the MAC in general would benefit from the drop, while still maintaining continuity. Dropping to FCS doesn't solve anything. FCS isn't a financially viable option either. It's only a matter of time until the MAC drops it's football requirement, I would stay put and ride it out. |
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Sept 30, 2019 11:24:32 GMT -6
I strongly feel that BSU should drop to the FCS level. Trying to compete in a false arms race in the FBS is nonsense. The program does not draw more than a solid 10-14 per home game on good weather days. We have all forgotten about what football is like on a November Saturday. FCS is where we should be. Join MVC, OVC or Horizon for basketball and find a football conference.. I think the MAC in general would benefit from the drop, while still maintaining continuity. Dropping to FCS doesn't solve anything. FCS isn't a financially viable option either. It's only a matter of time until the MAC drops it's football requirement, I would stay put and ride it out. I agree we are in a holding pattern, but don't think it is that simple. And I think the matter of time might be a long time.
On top of that long time waiting, several MAC programs really really want FBS FB, I imagine they would leave requiring a reorganization of the MAC. Even the other programs might want to stay as FCS, and while it is not a cure to what ails MAC FB it would lessen the pain for a decade or so. MAC leadership is very committed to FB.
Unlikely to me in face of that to believe the MAC holds its fate entitely in its own hands. The more likely scenario?
When the real FBS powers decide to make major changes, or the NCAA insists on that, the MAC will be left to scramble and make changes dictated to them, and not until then.
|
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 30, 2019 11:53:59 GMT -6
Yep as long as the MAC president does not change the MAC is in it till the bitter end. If there is ever a change at the top the next person might see it differently
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Sept 30, 2019 12:19:48 GMT -6
Yep as long as the MAC president does not change the MAC is in it till the bitter end. If there is ever a change at the top the next person might see it differently Awfully strong support there for FB. It's not just the one guy, I think. He has the Presidents of the member institutions in line.
Doubt it's a close call on that choice.
|
|
|
|
Post by williamtsherman on Sept 30, 2019 12:25:38 GMT -6
What is the motivation of the power schools, or the NCAA, to make any changes regarding MAC football? Things are set up so that the power schools keep the money they make, and the MAC just goes on losing money. MAC school students and MAC state taxpayers are covering the losses. What do power schools care about them? They have their own problems to deal with...it's not their job to save MAC students from MAC administrations.
People sometimes talk about this like it's something that eventually will or might happen, but I don't see it. If the power schools had to cover MAC football's money losses, then they would have ended it a while ago....but they don't. |
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Sept 30, 2019 13:38:21 GMT -6
Agree in part. But. There are some costs involved in the status quo for those power conferences now.
The FBS self interest might be in throwing off the yoke of NCAA rules.
Flip the question. Do they need the MAC and other low level schools, how much benefit to them?
|
|
|
|
Post by CallingBS on Sept 30, 2019 17:49:38 GMT -6
I strongly feel that BSU should drop to the FCS level. Trying to compete in a false arms race in the FBS is nonsense. The program does not draw more than a solid 10-14 per home game on good weather days. We have all forgotten about what football is like on a November Saturday. FCS is where we should be. Join MVC, OVC or Horizon for basketball and find a football conference.. I think the MAC in general would benefit from the drop, while still maintaining continuity. Dropping to FCS doesn't solve anything. FCS isn't a financially viable option either. It's only a matter of time until the MAC drops it's football requirement, I would stay put and ride it out. I think the deniers are in for a shock. Most MAC schools will be forced to drop football one day due to financial constraints. California may have gotten the ball rolling/ fast forwarded that timeline today. I'd rather make the decision ahead of being forced to, but heck, I'm a lot more strategic than these people. Dropping to FCS does little to solve the problem - still a huge cash outlay. In fact, there are many FCS programs with equal or better budgets than ours. |
|
