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Post by bsu1 on Nov 26, 2015 11:22:20 GMT -6
Why isn't Sellers getting more PT this year? He was the MAC's Freshman of the year but he isn't starting or getting over 18-20 minutes this year.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 26, 2015 11:34:15 GMT -6
Because he plays a position that we have a lot of. Perimeter players who are not point guards. If he was a center or point guard with similar ability, he would be playing 39.99 minutes per game. As I've been saying over and over, we have an unbalanced roster due to recruiting failure. This will become a lot more evident to all once we start playing teams ranked above 250.
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Post by rusty on Nov 26, 2015 11:36:48 GMT -6
Sherm why such a negative Nancy.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2015 11:45:22 GMT -6
My theory is that we have more players who are good, and that the play of our big guys has been good is a factor.
The biggest factor is simply that Weber is very good at the SF position. This is no surprise to anyone who has seen him play in practice last year.
The other is that House and Bo are playing very well, too, and it's hard to sit any of those 3 on the front line. If one of those guys wasn't playing well, I'd guess we would see Weber sometimes at the big forward with Sellers at the same time.
If we had a good center who could protect the rim, I think we might more often go with one big guy and play faster, forcing Bo and House to play a little less, and allowing Sellers Weber to be our forwards a little more often. I'd still like to see that sometimes, maybe giving up a little size. Without a top defensive presence in the middle though, we need two big strong guys in the lineup.
Even the play of Kiapway may be a factor. He provides a natural 2G who can shoot. Sellers might occasionally play some minutes there. I thought that might happen when we were going with Davis and Smith at guard, and Sellers wasn't playing. Kiapway has been a pleasant surprise.
It is good news for BSU if Tyler, Kiapway, Bo, House, Smith and the rest play well, but looks like Sellers who may be a very good SF loses the most minutes. Coach plays a slightly less good overall player who can play in his natural position rather than forcing Weber or Sellers to play a little out of position.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2015 12:05:49 GMT -6
Because he plays a position that we have a lot of. Perimeter players who are not point guards. If he was a center or point guard with similar ability, he would be playing 39.99 minutes per game. As I've been saying over and over, we have an unbalanced roster due to recruiting failure. This will become a lot more evident to all once we start playing teams ranked above 250. Without the negative spin, General is right. What he may be missing is that it is never a recruiting failure to get a Weber or Tyler. Sure. If instead of Sellers we had somehow signed a PG or Center of equal talent we'd be better. Or if Weber were a great player at either of those positions. But. Two things. First, as he moans about those two positions where not having a great player means we "failed," he needs to recognize the reality that we have two very good players and will benefit from that. And second, players as good as Weber and Sellers at those other positions are pursued by far more schools, and bigger ones, and I'm not sure that we would have so easily signed such a player, especially at center, as he seems to assume when he continues to call it failure not to. C'mon General, which MAC team has that quality player at all positions. If we had a player that good at Center we'd already be one of the best teams in the MAC, at least as a starting five. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. With Persons and Moses and another recruiting class, I think we are going to like it very much next year when relative weakness is remedied and will love having both Sellers and Weber. We will always have an excellent wing shooter with size on the floor. Probably that position will be our leading scorer this year. We have not had even one for many years (well Palombizio and Smith wanted to play wing while neither could really defend that position or handle the ball), we maybe have not had one with the same size since Bonzi. |
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Post by steve on Nov 26, 2015 12:14:14 GMT -6
I'm tired of saying "just wait until next year"
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2015 12:28:14 GMT -6
I'm tired of saying "just wait until next year" Too many here are so tired they want to write off this team, this year as an abject failure. That is not fair, either. Besides the variety of negativity we have with the comparison the General makes is one where the focus is being at the top of the MAC. Hell's bells, not this year, we were one of the worst team last year and the year before, not being the best this year is almost a ludicrous thing to complain about given where we were and that we are making very good progress. |
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Post by jburton on Nov 26, 2015 14:27:14 GMT -6
Because he plays a position that we have a lot of. Perimeter players who are not point guards. If he was a center or point guard with similar ability, he would be playing 39.99 minutes per game. As I've been saying over and over, we have an unbalanced roster due to recruiting failure. This will become a lot more evident to all once we start playing teams ranked above 250. Dick Hunsaker said something that resonates to me about recruiting. He said that you need one really good recruit in every class to be competitive in the MAC. I would argue that Whitford has done this. |
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 26, 2015 14:31:59 GMT -6
What's the ole saying..some see the glass half full and some see the glass half empty...that is generally the case re any subject...BSU basketball is no different.
The fact is we are better...how much better is yet to be determined. Will I win the bet with 15 or more wins...I believe so...some have said I'm over the top or to optimistic...we will see...but likely if not 15 then very close...if we even win 13-14 that's a considerable improvement from 7 wins last year. Getting very talented bigs beyond 6'9 in the MaC is tough so ultimately you recruit the best ball players and athletes possible regardless of position. Whit is becoming a better coach and is recruiting as well as any Coach in recent memory. If you don't believe with Persons and Teague as well as the 3 star recruit coming in from Ft. Wayne we're not going to continue to get even better you really don't understand the game. Eha, who was a PG at BSU said Persons will be a player who makes a big difference. Also, as I had said before the season began that Moses would start and he did...I believe now he will continue to come off the bench but play significant minutes...another yeAr of getting stronger and playing along side Teague, House, Sellers, and Weber....we have a team that will be on top the MAC
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Nov 26, 2015 14:54:02 GMT -6
Dick also said a team needs to learn how to win. That's why had a fairly easy non conference schedule with lots of home games. Having the CVC tournament helped.
He was a very good coach.
RF
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 26, 2015 15:16:17 GMT -6
Because he plays a position that we have a lot of. Perimeter players who are not point guards. If he was a center or point guard with similar ability, he would be playing 39.99 minutes per game. As I've been saying over and over, we have an unbalanced roster due to recruiting failure. This will become a lot more evident to all once we start playing teams ranked above 250. Dick Hunsaker said something that resonates to me about recruiting. He said that you need one really good recruit in every class to be competitive in the MAC. I would argue that Whitford has done this. Unfortunately both of Whitford's best players so far play basically the same position, so he might have recruited one really good recruit in every class, but he's not playing them both at the same time. As to the original question that started this thread: It seems pretty clear that Sellers isn't playing more simply because he's not shooting well, at least from the perimeter and at least not as well at Kiapway, who's hitting threes at a 54% clip. If Sellers heats up or Kiapway cools off, I would suspect Seller's PT to increase. Maybe Sellers needs more court time to find his "rhythm," but it's pretty clear that neither Whitford nor the team have the luxury of giving him that time to find his shot, especially when others (Weber, Kiapway) are performing better. Of course, Davis is getting about the same PT as Sellers while shooting much worse, so go figure. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2015 15:43:22 GMT -6
Of course, Davis is getting about the same PT as Sellers while shooting much worse, so go figure. Davis is a guard, and can defend that position and handle the ball better. So it makes some sense. Coach will find the best way to use both Weber and Sellers. One is needed to be a super sub, coming in off the bench for an offensive boost. If we spread the minutes evenly and always have good players on the floor that is quite a difference from last year. Sellers had to play more as a result last year and got more shots... |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 26, 2015 17:04:33 GMT -6
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 26, 2015 17:42:07 GMT -6
Of course, Davis is getting about the same PT as Sellers while shooting much worse, so go figure. Davis is a guard, and can defend that position and handle the ball better. So it makes some sense. Coach will find the best way to use both Weber and Sellers. One is needed to be a super sub, coming in off the bench for an offensive boost. If we spread the minutes evenly and always have good players on the floor that is quite a difference from last year. Sellers had to play more as a result last year and got more shots... I really wasn't comparing Davis and Sellers, or suggesting that Sellers get some of Davis' PT. I was merely saying that if my own explanation — that Sellers was playing less because he was shooting worse than others — actually held water, then Davis wouldn't be playing at all because nobody is shooting worse than Jeremiah. So clearly my own explanation about Sellers doesn't hold water. Regarding Davis, I know he is looked at as a leader on the team, but if he doesn't show the ability to knock down an outside shot with some consistency in the near future, I think as a coach you have to consider what other options you might have. I'm not saying Davis MUST score to contribute, but I do think we might have a couple of players on the roster who could do what he does AND be more of an offensive threat. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 26, 2015 18:43:37 GMT -6
Regarding Davis, I know he is looked at as a leader on the team, but if he doesn't show the ability to knock down an outside shot with some consistency in the near future, I think as a coach you have to consider what other options you might have. I'm not saying Davis MUST score to contribute, but I do think we might have a couple of players on the roster who could do what he does AND be more of an offensive threat. Smith is the starter for that reason. Tyler and Kiapway seem to be sharing time at SG. So, except for the early games where Tyler and Kiapway were apparently not ready, and this last one where Davis did shoot better, it looks like his time is already being reduced. I am not sure I want Smith playing so many minutes that he wears down. He can shoot a little better than he has shown, but realistically when he is on the floor you want him to handle the ball and go to the basket and get fouled, and distribute, not shoot from outside. It all depends then on what happens if they sink way back and let him shoot, can he hit wide open, can he screen for a shooter and get somebody open with his man too far away to switch. |
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