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Post by realitycheck on Nov 13, 2019 10:22:02 GMT -6
We'd have to find a new conference. Well forget that idea...we wouldn't want to lose out on those Tuesday night Maction football games in front of 2000 freezing fans.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 13, 2019 11:01:45 GMT -6
While I'm ambivalent about remaining in the MAC, dropping football would require a move. The question is, to where? Horizon? A10? OVC? The Mo. Valley would be best fit, but ISU, E'ville and Valpo may not want us in there. Plus, they're at 10 members, so we'd need someone to go with us.
Good luck with that.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 13, 2019 12:04:57 GMT -6
No doubt, football supporters at all MAC schools are simultaneously using the same excuse.
We can't do it because the rest of the MAC won't do it!
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Post by rgmillikan on Nov 13, 2019 22:52:02 GMT -6
Football or not, the regression from nonconference to conference play the last 2 seasons is a huge red flag hanging over Whit's tenure.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 14, 2019 8:59:41 GMT -6
Football or not, the regression from nonconference to conference play the last 2 seasons is a huge red flag hanging over Whit's tenure. It's a red flag, but maybe not that huge since in both years events in January altered the prospects for a good conference season. I think anyone would have considered some of the regression to be explained by that. To continue on without any problem at all would have been difficult to expect even with the very best coaching job possible.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 14, 2019 9:20:19 GMT -6
Football or not, the regression from nonconference to conference play the last 2 seasons is a huge red flag hanging over Whit's tenure. It's a red flag, but maybe not that huge since in both years events in January altered the prospects for a good conference season. I think anyone would have considered some of the regression to be explained by that. To continue on without any problem at all would have been difficult to expect even with the very best coaching job possible. Bullshit. That's a total bullshit excuse. Total MAC failure came when injuries were not a factor. The team imploded at the end of the conference season and tumbled into 11th freaking place.
Two questions: who do you think is fooled by this excuse, and why do you bother?
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 14, 2019 10:08:21 GMT -6
It's a red flag, but maybe not that huge since in both years events in January altered the prospects for a good conference season. I think anyone would have considered some of the regression to be explained by that. To continue on without any problem at all would have been difficult to expect even with the very best coaching job possible. Total MAC failure came when injuries were not a factor. The team imploded at the end of the conference season and tumbled into 11th freaking place. All I said here was that the red flag was not a simple case of regression in the MAC season. That there were issues where we might have expected some regression. This was not some strong statement I made.
Do you really think the injuries and disciplinary issues had zero impact?
If you want to argue that the staff should have somehow overcome all the difficulty without any impact, we have nothing to talk about. That is silly.
I lived through these two seasons just as you did, and was equally disappointed, but have some sympathy for the staff where they were getting good results before January. In fact nearly everyone was reasonably happy at that point both years.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 14, 2019 10:42:36 GMT -6
Good coaches adapt and overcome. Especially when it’s not regular starters you’re losing.
Fragile roster and fragile locker room. Whit has managed neither well.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 14, 2019 10:56:14 GMT -6
If Hazen is out, the much-talked-about super depth becomes two freshmen guards.
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 14, 2019 12:02:26 GMT -6
It's a red flag, but maybe not that huge since in both years events in January altered the prospects for a good conference season. I think anyone would have considered some of the regression to be explained by that. To continue on without any problem at all would have been difficult to expect even with the very best coaching job possible. Bullshit. That's a total bullshit excuse. Total MAC failure came when injuries were not a factor. The team imploded at the end of the conference season and tumbled into 11th freaking place.
Two questions: who do you think is fooled by this excuse, and why do you bother?
I couldn't agree more. This topic has been "discussed" ad nauseam, and the apologists just won't let it go. Every team has injuries and issues. Recruiters build rosters that can handle those injuries and issues, period.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 14, 2019 13:56:12 GMT -6
Bullshit. That's a total bullshit excuse. Total MAC failure came when injuries were not a factor. The team imploded at the end of the conference season and tumbled into 11th freaking place.
Two questions: who do you think is fooled by this excuse, and why do you bother?
I couldn't agree more. This topic has been "discussed" ad nauseam, and the apologists just won't let it go. Every team has injuries and issues. Recruiters build rosters that can handle those injuries and issues, period. Username checks out.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 14, 2019 15:47:45 GMT -6
If Hazen is out, the much-talked-about super depth becomes two freshmen guards. With Hazen and Gunn out with injury, then as I said above, front line reserves will be Hendricks, Thomas and Huggie. The depth is certainly hurt with 2 injuries. I suppose your idea of using all wings or guards is possible, we might find one of the freshmen, Kroft, Coleman or Acree playing against some match ups. Better to have some D1 recruits on the bench giving choice than last year when we just had Gunn for so long.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 14, 2019 19:19:32 GMT -6
No, it's not my idea to play all guards. My point is that there is a difference between "depth" and "players you have to play out of total desperation".
Bumbo and Coleman could arguably qualify as depth since the coach has seen fit to play them in competitive situations and they acquitted themselves adequately. However, the coach seems to think that Thomas, Acree, Hendrix and Huggie are not ready to contribute. I'm not sure I really consider that sort of player as "depth". Thus my comment.
I can see already we are headed for another bullshit, lame injury excuse this season. Gunn has turned out to be a limited, three point specialist that's not too terribly good at hitting threes. And Hazen was a known injury risk from the time of his signing. True, if he has really injured his hand/wrist (has he?) then that is not the injury expected, but still it was always known it was likely he would miss time. I myself said just a few days ago it would be a miracle if he made it through the season without missing significant time. So, taking all this into account, if losing those two was all it took to make you a short-handed team, then your scholarship management has been very poor.....again. As it was last year. But then it's practically impossible to have good scholarship management based on the results of low-energy recruiting...isn't it?
Like an idiot, I allowed myself to halfway buy into this "deep team" stuff during the preseason. I should know by now that if this coach's jock-sniffing apologists say the sun is going to rise in the east, I should be sure and get up to see the earth's first ever western sunrise.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 14, 2019 19:26:36 GMT -6
The season is a little young to throw the towel in.
Also to pronounce judgment on players we have seen do little and who no doubt need some time to be what we want.
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 14, 2019 19:31:40 GMT -6
No, ohmh, we will find any opportunity to put down Whit, and our team!
Fact is albeit some would like to not acknowledge it is that our depth was projected including Gunn and Hazen; I believe only Gunn is out for the season. We are certainly more limited without them both, duh?!
But, I believe this team is going to have a good season possibly better than good!
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