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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 6:26:09 GMT -6
Meanwhile, Whitford leaps over Dick Hunsaker and climbs the list of all-time Ball State coaching legends:
Hinga 154-169 McCallum 126-76 Whitford 103-115 Hunsaker 97-34 Buckley 93-87 McCracken 86-57 Taylor 84-99
data thru 2/12/20
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Post by cardfan on Feb 14, 2020 6:45:54 GMT -6
Longevity doesn’t necessarily mean good. I’ll take the coaches who were really good over a short period vs meh coaches who coached a long period of time.
Still sub .500.
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Post by comet on Feb 14, 2020 7:14:16 GMT -6
Yeh, agree cardfan. I wouldn't consider any but McCallum, Hunsaker and McCracken as much of success stories. Hinga and Whitford being below don't say much to me.
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Post by calpoly on Feb 14, 2020 8:16:03 GMT -6
97-34, and we fired him....
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 14, 2020 9:29:26 GMT -6
97-34, and we fired him.... Not because of on the court success. Still don’t know the story and would be very interested. He is still the best coach we ever had and he loved Ball State more than any coach we had as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 9:49:53 GMT -6
97-34, and we fired him.... Not because of on the court success. Still don’t know the story and would be very interested. He is still the best coach we ever had and he loved Ball State more than any coach we had as well. Something about players getting phone calling cards?
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Post by cardfan on Feb 14, 2020 10:49:09 GMT -6
Not because of on the court success. Still don’t know the story and would be very interested. He is still the best coach we ever had and he loved Ball State more than any coach we had as well. Something about players getting phone calling cards? It was more about “ghost employment” of players and illegal benefits paid to a recruit. A booster was prohibited from being involved with the program anymore. Worthen fired hunsaker as sacrifice to the ncaa. Ncaa treated us much more harshly than they would have a blue blood. Dick was gutted over being fired. He loved coaching at bsu. The administration gave him zero support. He thought he was just helping some disadvantaged kids.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 14, 2020 11:09:28 GMT -6
Supposedly Steve Payne and Rodney Holmes received improper tuition assistance, along with a couple recruits getting improper loans and gifts.
Basically, a booster screwed it up, and Hunsaker turned a blind eye to it.
You can do that if you're John Wooden, though.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 14, 2020 11:15:51 GMT -6
John wooden was the king of looking the other way.
Payne was deemed ineligible and had to pay back what he received. Which was something like $700. Guys these days are getting $25k and higher funneled through shoe companies. And nothing happens to the schools.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 14, 2020 11:29:34 GMT -6
Something about players getting phone calling cards? It was more about “ghost employment” of players and illegal benefits paid to a recruit. A booster was prohibited from being involved with the program anymore. Worthen fired hunsaker as sacrifice to the ncaa. Ncaa treated us much more harshly than they would have a blue blood. Dick was gutted over being fired. He loved coaching at bsu. The administration gave him zero support. He thought he was just helping some disadvantaged kids. Truth, Im good friends with that former boosters son.. He has some good stories When telling the story's he has always stuck to the kids really did pick up sticks when they were working
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 14, 2020 12:36:05 GMT -6
The real tragedy was that this was our moment. Ready to build a real power. The time to invest a bit, not start (and continue) to live in the moment.
This decision maybe the worst in our history, except maybe Ronnie, and a HOF bad decision for all mid majors.
Catastrophic assumption BSU could win no matter what stupid we did.
I won't blame Worthen alone here. A complete ship of fools it took to do this.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 14, 2020 12:54:02 GMT -6
And now we have a half empty arena.
Ironically, named for the guy that had a hand in killing it.
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Feb 14, 2020 13:05:28 GMT -6
Well it wasn't the AD who was at fault for the firing. Don Purvis was also let go a little later and Andi Seger was named the AD. She had previously served as the director of women's athletics, hence the WAD. She was a total disaster for all men's sports.
YesMan and I had posted it would take years to recover from her reign. The men's programs have yet to recover some 18 years after her reign. Gora and Budd did not help in effort to recover.
Go Cards!
RF
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Post by cardfan on Feb 14, 2020 13:50:30 GMT -6
Well it wasn't the AD who was at fault for the firing. Don Purvis was also let go a little later and Andi Seger was named the AD. She had previously served as the director of women's athletics, hence the WAD. She was a total disaster for all men's sports. YesMan and I had posted it would take years to recover from her reign. The men's programs have yet to recover some 18 years after her reign. Gora and Budd did not help in effort to recover. Go Cards! RF Truth. Schudel left because of her. Ray left because she/they totally lowballed him on an extension offer, probably in an effort to get him to leave. Administration wasn’t happy about some player behavior and grade issues.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 14, 2020 15:13:55 GMT -6
Well it wasn't the AD who was at fault for the firing. Don Purvis was also let go a little later and Andi Seger was named the AD. She had previously served as the director of women's athletics, hence the WAD. She was a total disaster for all men's sports. The aftermath was based on higher up decisions that we were in such a good place that anything would work. We were BSU, king of the world.
Purvis and others in control had presided over a great success. But, there was not real forward planning for the changes that were coming and there was a good deal done wrong too, and a great deal of blame for all those people.
There had been a great change that had occurred at the NCAA that we ignored, and great changes in the economics and regulation of college sports which we overlooked completely. That surely was blameworthy. We built a big arena for home town fans and thought that was the future. My big problem is that there was this giant opportunity we had in our grasp, mid major basketball especially was sitting on potential gold and it required real leadership to take advantage, a change in how we did things, also nvestment and a little risk.
Instead we took a modest profit on what we had done and spent it elsewhere instead of building on it. Settled for a status quo that was more fragile than we thought.
Three things. Overreaction and no courage in firing Hunsaker. But also our success meant we patted ourselves on the back for being great. And then doubled down and failed to move forward, decided we could continue the same kind of penny pinching decision making. That was the deadly trifecta we bet on.
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