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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 11:55:38 GMT -6
...none of it possibly going to be a good idea...
Then stay home while the rest of us go on living our lives. None of us should stay home out of concern for ourselves only. Everyone should live as normally as is prudent to protect the community. Especially once we knock the infection rate down to recommended CDC levels and there is no serious outbreak in our community.
When we are as we are right now nationally with cases on the upswing and positive rates of variants increasing, close as we are to controlling things, we should still mitigate. Limited mitigation such as masks in crowds and in most public venues which are not well ventilated, lots of testing to spot outbreaks, limit on travel , makes sense for most of the 50 states.
The ignorance in the anti-mitigation argument is that we try to limit the number of cases overall in society to protect everyone not just yourself. Yeah, that protects us, too. But the main reason is to control levels in the community.
The corollary ignorance is denial that we can be asymptomatic and spread the disease, and that asymptomatic disease is OK.
You note I do not argue for lock down here and now, not when positive rates are fairly low and community infection is low. I do argue for some mitigation and routine vigilant testing especially of travelers from overseas to protect us from new variants.
Right now we should not 100% open, at least not everywhere. Going just a little slower last spring coming out of lock down would have meant our summer last summer was safer, instead of seeing outbreaks. Avoiding super spreader events alone would have had significant difference in deaths and further infection. We need that same caution now to control the UK variant until we have more widespread vaccination and other immunity.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 31, 2021 11:58:31 GMT -6
Got both of my shots at Sam's Club. My vaccine was called "Modernizer", basically, leftovers from all of vials mixed in to one. Very affordable. Did you get the pain killer and anti-anxiety leftovers too? Those at least probably worked, even without refrigeration. |
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Post by villagepub on Mar 31, 2021 12:05:16 GMT -6
Got both of my shots at Sam's Club. My vaccine was called "Modernizer", basically, leftovers from all of vials mixed in to one. Very affordable. Did you get the pain killer and anti-anxiety leftovers too? Those at least probably worked, even without refrigeration. No, I'm doing good. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 1, 2021 15:57:21 GMT -6
...none of it possibly going to be a good idea...
Then stay home while the rest of us go on living our lives. The development of variants will make it hard to enjoy life for some since they are dead, and for too many they will suffer serious expensive illness.
There are two choices, to vaccinate the world, or in some foolproof way limit our exposure to the variants. The second has proven impossible doing what we do now. Florida is now seeing the UK variant becoming dominant. The first may be impossible as well.
So ignoring the variants is not going to work well.
We will need to continually develop vaccine updates at the same time as we improve our efforts testing and practice mitigation, but still face continuing surges due to new variants. We will need to as much as we can to slow development and transmission of the variants. When that inevitably fails we will need to do a better job of mitigation when a variant breaks into our bubble. We will have to test aggressively to know when we need to do that.
This is what we should have done a year ago, develop a strategy combining investing in technology and simple mask use and make it more a part of everyday life in a more dangerous world.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 1, 2021 21:33:04 GMT -6
You idiots are near 40% of the Bane Thread volume here. Get your heads out of your asses.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 1, 2021 22:56:44 GMT -6
I had not thought of any disrespect to Bane.
Truly sorry, but he's probably OK with this. I heard he is working on a cure to make mitigation and vaccine much less a priority.
Hope he finishes up soon.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 1, 2021 23:06:06 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 2, 2021 8:30:16 GMT -6
Well at least we can use Texas as guide if it goes well great if not we'll you know
Increasing testing is an area which will be controversial but if we are not going to try really hard to mitigate as a general rule over the next 4 or 5 months, we better step it up to spot when a surge does get started in the Fall. (Or assuming somebody is a skeptical of that possibility, IF it gets started.)
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 5, 2021 18:53:58 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 5, 2021 23:39:10 GMT -6
Well at least we can use Texas as guide if it goes well great if not we'll you know Hard to make sense of. Except as we have more states dropping masks, and more reopened, we face a surge...or some say a little less than a full surge. It's a roller coaster. California doing well after a lockdown. Lowest positive rate for now. Florida, Texas not so good despite warm weather, maybe Spring Break impact, but compared to Calif, a higher positive rate, projection. Michigan with more mitigation was doing better than Texas, Florida, now as they are reopening much worse. Masks work. Lockdown when very bad works. Vaccines help elderly! Kids getting hit by variants. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 6, 2021 6:40:41 GMT -6
You don't quarantine the healthy.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2021 11:51:53 GMT -6
You don't quarantine the healthy. You quarantine those who are infectious or possibly infectious. Until reliable testing done. You limit community spread by masks, distance and other mitigation. CDC guidelines are sensible. In extreme cases with uncontrolled spread, high positives, poor compliance with mitigation, you may lock down. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 6, 2021 12:47:50 GMT -6
You don't quarantine the healthy. You quarantine those who are infectious or possibly infectious. Until reliable testing done. You limit community spread by masks, distance and other mitigation. CDC guidelines are sensible. In extreme cases with uncontrolled spread, high positives, poor compliance with mitigation, you may lock down. Everyone is "possibly infectious". YOU DON'T QUARANTINE THE HEALTHY. If you're at risk, don't go out, or mask up, or whatever you want to do to protect yourself. You don't have the right to tell me what to do just because you're scared. Lockdowns are fascist policies implemented by power-mad tyrants, and should never happen. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 6, 2021 15:45:47 GMT -6
You quarantine those who are infectious or possibly infectious. Until reliable testing done. You limit community spread by masks, distance and other mitigation. CDC guidelines are sensible. In extreme cases with uncontrolled spread, high positives, poor compliance with mitigation, you may lock down. Everyone is "possibly infectious". YOU DON'T QUARANTINE THE HEALTHY. If you're at risk, don't go out, or mask up, or whatever you want to do to protect yourself. You don't have the right to tell me what to do just because you're scared. Lockdowns are fascist policies implemented by power-mad tyrants, and should never happen. That is ridiculous. Mitigation is not about protecting you, directly. It is about your duty to pitch in to protect others. The virus threatens the community. The government is not addressing fear of individuals, but is reasonably limiting freedom as the best way to protect the public. Government is about public good. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 6, 2021 17:03:50 GMT -6
Please point out in the Constitution where it is my duty to “pitch in.”
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