|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 4, 2021 22:57:58 GMT -6
As to the "substance" of the article, I am not too concerned that Lancet will be fooled. Or be dishonest. The members of the task force are all distinguished scientists who have their reputation at stake. And the report they write will be public and subject to scrutiny by the scientific community.
The report has not been written and you both assume its conclusion and that the conclusion is unsupported.
But the main problem with your post is it has little or nothing to do with peer review of Dr Fauci's many publications.
The main problem with your post is your failure to see the corruption of the scientific community in this regard. The very person who should be investigated for his role in Covid-19 pandemic (Daszak) is the guy doing the investigating. If you are too dense to see the problem here, you are beyond help. |
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 9, 2021 7:23:56 GMT -6
The problem is not people who choose a risk and lose. The problem is we fail to quickly stifle the disease before variants develop which can conceivably infect and harm those who are vaccinated, or are even more deadly to those who cannot be vaccinated. Choosing to mask, distance and be vaccinated is not about self protection but instead cooperation against a threat to the community. Although variants may be more contagious, they are normally less deadly. The more successful variants keep the host alive so they can better spread. It's the way it's worked in nature for millions of years. No reason it should change this time around. Latest news on variants indicates that attitude is playing with fire :
Britain is doing quite well, comparable, maybe better than we are, so that's evidence it is a serious problem there.
This is all about stopping spread as well as not giving a large population here for new variants.
You analysis above is faulty. Yes. Variants which last a long time do have to avoid killing the hosts...but that doesn't mean much. If it is deadly and kills the host population, the virus doesn't persist but neither does the host population.
One serious variant and we find it can do a lot of harm or even kill us all, that would be bad...not just for the poor unsuccessful variant.
We avoided a serious SARs outbreak because it was killing too quickly for its own good, and it made it easier to contact trace.
Besides even if a variant is ONLY as severe as the original virus that is pretty serious.
You want to bet we only get a "mild variant" this is variation on the theme that Covid is just "the flu" and we need not worry.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 9, 2021 8:08:28 GMT -6
The original variant has been so frustrating because it spread through asymptomatic infections and could not be tracked easily. Then, when it hit the vulnerable population was especially severe to them. This variant does the same thing, but faster.
That vulnerable population is now vaccinated at a high rate, but there are plenty of vulnerable people who are not, and a delta wave would produce a lot of serious illness and death. We just are not masking and distancing enough right now to prevent that, will have to be ready to ramp back up if this gets out of hand.
Southern states, and red states generally, except the seniors in Florida are most hesitant or resistant to vaccination and that's where we'd see initial evidence of a wave. We are hitting that wall on vaccination where in those states at least 30% are clearly delaying, and another 10-30% on the fence. That is a lot of people. Maybe we can hope more than 10% of the unvaccinated (maybe 10% of whole population) have immunity from infection. Still makes some areas fairly likely to see a wave.
|
|
|
|
Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 9, 2021 11:41:34 GMT -6
I have not read any of the last 20,000 pages I just glance too see if you guys have killed each other yet.. It seems as though you are now really scared/worried of the variants maybe that will someday be a thing but I just read a headline that said yesterday we had dropped below a certain number of cases maybe 15,000 something like that.. The headlines went on to say that was the lowest number since something else.. So I have a suggestion I think you should drop the mask and enjoy your summer worry free until or if a variant becomes a real concern to Us
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 9, 2021 16:10:08 GMT -6
CDC says as much for those vaccinated. Unfortunately it's a problem for some to do that.
Mostly politics.
This delta variation could be a problem. Not right now.
|
|
|
|
Post by frozenbaugh on Jun 9, 2021 19:58:21 GMT -6
If you are vaccinated, the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective against this new variant to date. I will continue to just carry on as I have since it started.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 9, 2021 22:00:12 GMT -6
If you are vaccinated, the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective against this new variant to date. I will continue to just carry on as I have since it started. The problem is places where 50% are not vaccinated and people are carrying on as if there's no problem. That may not work well. We really don't want delta to be the dominant strain if we can avoid it. |
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 10, 2021 20:07:20 GMT -6
Until the variants strike, 00 can start worrying about the following:
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced Thursday that it will convene an "emergency meeting" of its advisers on June 18th to discuss rare but higher-than-expected reports of heart inflammation following doses of the mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines.
The new details about myocarditis and pericarditis emerged first in presentations to a panel of independent advisers for the Food and Drug Administration, who are meeting Thursday to discuss how the regulator should approach emergency use authorization for using COVID-19 vaccines in younger children.
As CBS reports, the CDC previously disclosed that reports of heart inflammation were detected mostly in younger men and teenage boys following their second dose, and that there was a "higher number of observed than expected" cases in 16- to 24-year-olds. Last month, the CDC urged providers to "ask about prior COVID-19 vaccination" in patients with symptoms of heart inflammation.
800 cases so far in the USA and counting.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 10, 2021 22:24:09 GMT -6
Good to study the risk.
Israel has a study.
Appears to be rare side effect.
Most cases not severe. Especially compared to the virus itself, which in the same age group can result in long term serious illness, sometimes death.
|
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 11, 2021 13:38:47 GMT -6
Updated information.
No doubt some may not have been discovered, which is why they are investigating. Many can have very mild symptoms, but the serious symptoms are unlikely to be missed.
Of 270 who were discharged from hospital, 81% fully recovered, 19% unknown or still mild symptoms. 15 are still hospitalized.
Compare that to the 2500 or so dead from Covid under 30. Many more with serious illness still.
Although the right seems to spurn the idea we should be vaccinated to protect others, vaccination has the added advantage of preventing infection of the older vulnerable population by the millions of vaccinated young people.
|
|
|
|
Post by sweep on Jun 11, 2021 14:22:15 GMT -6
Although the right seems to spurn the idea we should be vaccinated to protect others,
That's the dumbest comment on these boards since since Willo stated "Republicans are okay with rape". Congratulations you are now in the moron Hall of Fame. |
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 11, 2021 14:27:56 GMT -6
The CDC number of 300 is an out of date number. www.theepochtimes.com/nearly-800-reports-of-heart-inflammation-after-covid-19-vaccination-in-us_3853032.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedgeIt has since increased to near 800. But regardless 300 or 800, the point is it's a slight risk added to all the other slight risks we all face every day. You minimize it the most you can and get on with your life. You get into your car each day and you take the risk of dying in an auto accident. You put on your seat belt and drive in a safe manner. Doesn't totally protect you from the idiot DWI who smashes into you. Less risk then our ancestors who risked a trans Atlantic journey and settlement in a circa 1700's America. Get over it, accept the risk, and move on. |
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 12, 2021 20:10:18 GMT -6
The CDC is reporting only confirmed cases. And is current data. Epochtimes.com is unlikely to have more up to date information about CDC than Scott Gottlieb speaking to CNBC on Friday.
Your own link actually does not contradict that figure. The 800 case number they report includes other age groups and actually says that there are 475 reported cases for under 30, but points out that "authorities have already verified that 226 of the 475 reports regarding those 30 or younger meet the CDC’s working case definition." Of the 475 the source does not say how many do NOT meet the working case definition or have been in any way verified. (Your source goes on to note "anyone" can report cases.)
Epoch Times is the a a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. It grew out of a Chinese anti communist media outlet, but now is better known as a source that repeats many conspiracy theories and as an outlet supporting Trump in the last year. Article here about its politics
|
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 12, 2021 22:00:25 GMT -6
In other words, if you don't like the message, attack the messenger.
|
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 12, 2021 22:35:43 GMT -6
An anti communist Chinese media outlet is probably a high threat to socialists such as yourself. The Epoch Times certainly isn't trying to cover for the CCP like the MSM. Here's what they have to say about recent Wuhan lab developments. 1. U.S. Taxpayer Money Did Go to Controversial ‘Gain of Function’ Research Thanks to some confusing verbal gymnastics by Dr. Anthony Fauci, some in the media are giving the impression that there’s no proof U.S. tax money funded “gain of function” research or that, perhaps, the research didn’t qualify as gain of function. However, the evidence on this point is clear cut. A 2015 published study specifically discloses that the research is gain of function research that took bat coronavirus that was harmless to people—and made it infectious in humans. The study further states that the National Institutes of Health (NIH) approved continuation of the research even amid a general ban on such studies. www.nature.com/articles/nm.39852. The Gain of Function Research with China Did Not Only Receive U.S. Support and Money Through the Nonprofit ‘EcoHealth Alliance,’ but Also Directly Many media reports refer to several millions of dollars in tax money sent from the NIH to the Wuhan lab via the New York-based nonprofit “EcoHealth Alliance.” However, research with the lab, and the lab itself, received significant additional U.S. support including: Grants directly from the NIH. Grants directly from Dr. Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the NIH. www.nature.com/articles/nm.39853. The Chinese Wuhan Lab Received Direct U.S. Support, in Addition to the Indirect Grants From EcoHealth Alliance State Department cables from January 2018 detail assistance from the University of Texas Medical Branch, including university “researchers … helping train technicians who work” in the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab. The Texas lab is supported by Dr. Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases under NIH. www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-the-state-department-cable-that-launched-claims-that-coronavirus-escaped-from-chinese-lab/2b80aef2-f728-4c36-8875-3bf6aae1d272/ |
|
