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Post by bsutrack on Jun 16, 2020 14:10:59 GMT -6
Getting back to some of lmill72's questions, I think it's safe to assume you could sit next to your own family members. You do all ride together in the same car when you go somewhere, right?
I would assume all universities will need to set aside a dormitory or two for quarantine; not only for athletes, but for any student in campus housing that comes down with Covid-19. Due to costs, you probably aren't going test the entire student population, but you will if someone comes down with symptoms of Covid-19. Once you get a positive test for any student, you can't let them go back into the general population. Do you automatically send them home to infect their family members? I think not. Probably best to quarantine them on campus in a separate dormitory until they recover and test negative. So you are not only going to need the quarantine dorm for just the athletes, but the general students too I would think.
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Post by lmills72 on Jun 16, 2020 18:35:57 GMT -6
Getting back to some of lmill72's questions, I think it's safe to assume you could sit next to your own family members. You do all ride together in the same car when you go somewhere, right? Right, but the point is the university really can't control people much once they're in the stadium unless they're really planning on increasing the manpower on the usher staff. You can I can sit together if we want to just by lying and saying we live together. People are basically going to gather where they want and the stadium folks aren't going to be able to do much about it. Sure, they might put decent restrictions in a few small areas but overall, I think not. Which, to me, is not a big deal. Just saying that the safety measures of 50% capacity are kinda lip-service. It sounds good but, as has been stated, as a BSU game, you might not notice any changes. At a UM game, the stadium will be less full. But I imaging in both places people who want to sit together will sit together, family or not. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 16, 2020 18:39:50 GMT -6
Getting back to some of lmill72's questions, I think it's safe to assume you could sit next to your own family members. You do all ride together in the same car when you go somewhere, right? Right, but the point is the university really can't control people much once they're in the stadium unless they're really planning on increasing the manpower on the usher staff. You can I can sit together if we want to just by lying and saying we live together. People are basically going to gather where they want and the stadium folks aren't going to be able to do much about it. Sure, they might put decent restrictions in a few small areas but overall, I think not. Which, to me, is not a big deal. Just saying that the safety measures of 50% capacity are kinda lip-service. It sounds good but, as has been stated, as a BSU game, you might not notice any changes. At a UM game, the stadium will be less full. But I imaging in both places people who want to sit together will sit together, family or not. They will and it it is lip service but if its stated and printed its more difficult to sue |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 16, 2020 19:06:46 GMT -6
Having policy and not enforcing it is tricky, it acknowledges a problem and raises the issue of what policy response was reasonable.
Legal liability is not much of an issue anyway since BSU is a state entity and benefits from sovereign immunity. It's a worse problem for businesses especially considering workers comp and how many businesses essentially self insure in their health plans. It's also why they want a law insulating them from liability.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 17, 2020 7:02:33 GMT -6
Having policy and not enforcing it is tricky, it acknowledges a problem and raises the issue of what policy response was reasonable.
Legal liability is not much of an issue anyway since BSU is a state entity and benefits from sovereign immunity. It's a worse problem for businesses especially considering workers comp and how many businesses essentially self insure in their health plans. It's also why they want a law insulating them from liability.
BSU gets sued all the time, so I don't know what you mean by "sovereign immunity"... |
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 17, 2020 7:54:18 GMT -6
Having policy and not enforcing it is tricky, it acknowledges a problem and raises the issue of what policy response was reasonable.
Legal liability is not much of an issue anyway since BSU is a state entity and benefits from sovereign immunity. It's a worse problem for businesses especially considering workers comp and how many businesses essentially self insure in their health plans. It's also why they want a law insulating them from liability.
BSU gets sued all the time, so I don't know what you mean by "sovereign immunity"... They are not totally immune from all lawsuits, but especially for tort claims state entities are given procedural advantage, limitation of damages, and immunity in many cases. IC 34-13-3-3 is one provision that applies here where there are 20+ categories of immunity.
Besides that a negligence claim here would likely present a case where the plaintiff would not be partially responsible for taking the risk associated with exposure for the disease. One of the advantages for the State in tort claims act cases is that "comparative fault" does NOT apply and in Indiana the rule is "contributory negligence" which means if you are at blame at all, even slightly to blame, you can recover nothing. Assumption of Risk is another defense available clearly in cases against the state.
It all adds up to a tough row to hoe.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 19, 2020 11:03:19 GMT -6
"Millions" were going to die, remember? "He doesn't care!" So is it OK if we have ONLY hundreds of thousands this summer instead? That's when the President said it would just go away. But then "who knew health care could be so complicated?"
Is it OK that it may reach a million by the first of the year. Just not yet...
Is it OK that when the cases are spiking in many states the President is strongly encouraging continuing and expanded reopening, NOT actually recommending any particular mitigation action, quite falsely saying it's all about more testing showing cases that are harmless, and there are no new cases if only we wouldn't check...Is it OK he is failing to encourage wearing masks which are known to reduce spread? Is it OK to ignore the litany of other public health recommendations the experts are suggesting?
Texas and Florida are not only reporting more cases, some no doubt asymptomatic and detected by tests, but also hospital admissions and deaths are NOT declining in many states. The Florida governor says it is just nursing homes, prisons and other cases he really doesn't count. As if those cases and those deaths should not count. The President gives him great praise for handling the situation...
The President deceives his followers and schedules a festival and rally in a state which is spiking. Will there be masking to protect the innocent who attend? Or will attendees be "free" to endanger those around them?
These other countries include many with similar levels of testing by percentage of population with rather similar economic forecasts.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 19, 2020 21:59:29 GMT -6
I'm currently driving down 75 and this is the first time I have ever felt nervous about traveling. Gas stations seem like breeding grounds lol
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 19, 2020 22:13:43 GMT -6
Rob, wash your hands, avoid bathrooms unless you wear a mask, observe social distance, cut the odds of a problem, be a little paranoid. It won't probably be you but it don't take chances, and protect others. Use your freedom to be cautious and care about others to do that. I just lost my brother in Wisconsin who was on a ventilator and did not survive.
So, I may be a little paranoid, but he was blind sided and went from optimistic and lucid to ICU a week ago, and I never had a chance after that to communicate with him after telling him to take care, all in a matter of few hours it spiraled down hill, just felt a little sick and wasn't really nervous, went to the hospital thinking it was not necessary.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 19, 2020 23:25:06 GMT -6
I'm sorry to hear that your family is my prayers. Our spring break trip was cancelled and they would not refund. Gave us six months to reschedule. Use it or lose it..We are here now and can find a nice clear spot on the beach to chill
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Post by cardfan on Jun 20, 2020 8:34:15 GMT -6
Damn, HMH I’m so sorry about your brother.
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Post by bsu73 on Jun 20, 2020 9:40:33 GMT -6
Sorry to hear about your brother HMH. Prayers for you and your family.
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Post by reevo on Jun 20, 2020 16:16:42 GMT -6
So sorry for your loss 00. We just returned today from a week in Florida. This vacation was planned well before the pandemic. Could not get out of the rental contract for our condo so we decided to risk it. To be honest, the beaches at Panama City were packed but that did not concern me. What concerned me was how packed Pier Point (Large outdoor shopping complex) was. I wore a mask on most days but there were a couple days I left it back at the condo. 90% of the people were not wearing mask and there was no way you could social distance.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 20, 2020 16:30:41 GMT -6
So sorry for your loss 00. We just returned today from a week in Florida. This vacation was planned well before the pandemic. Could not get out of the rental contract for our condo so we decided to risk it. To be honest, the beaches at Panama City were packed but that did not concern me. What concerned me was how packed Pier Point (Large outdoor shopping complex) was. I wore a mask on most days but there were a couple days I left it back at the condo. 90% of the people were not wearing mask and there was no way you could social distance. Yeah, we are scheduled to go to Florida next month and it is looking like they could be an epicenter, it is worrisome.
If we stay away from entertainment events and large group activity and the beach or pool but that is more than half the reason to be there. Could still golf and see some friends but we can do that here.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 20, 2020 18:28:03 GMT -6
MADEIRA BEACH is packed but groups are keeping a pretty good distance.. The restaurants/boardwalk etc packed.. Seems like more masks than muncie but quadruple the people
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