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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 5, 2020 14:02:10 GMT -6
Cite what? I don't know that it's part of US Code, if that's what you mean. That's always been my understanding. It's not like a sign when you enter a state, saying Governor So and So. It's symbolic of the ideals of what the country was founded on, that transcends mere mortals. That's why there are 13 stripes (one for each colony), and not 56 (for each signer of the Declaration of Independence). Any authority will do. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 6, 2020 7:04:07 GMT -6
Well, as I stated, I don't know that it's an "official" stance, but that it's always been my understanding.
If you have a different "authority" then say so instead of trying to be coy.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Aug 6, 2020 8:33:33 GMT -6
The Pledge of Allegiance would seem to lean more toward JSE's interpretation, though I agree with LurkyMcGurky that I was brought up to believe the flag symbolized the "freedoms" of the country (including the freedom to protest in its many peaceful forms).
I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
"Republic for which it stands" seems to me to mean the flag represents the Republic, which is a form of government. It doesn't say "to the people" or "to the country" it specifically points out that it stands for the Republic aka the government.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 6, 2020 16:28:38 GMT -6
Well, as I stated, I don't know that it's an "official" stance, but that it's always been my understanding. If you have a different "authority" then say so instead of trying to be coy. I’m not being coy. You made a blanket statement of fact with no support. If you presented supporting evidence you might have convinced me that your statement was correct. |
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Post by lmills72 on Aug 6, 2020 17:19:32 GMT -6
The Pledge of Allegiance would seem to lean more toward JSE's interpretation, though I agree with LurkyMcGurky that I was brought up to believe the flag symbolized the "freedoms" of the country (including the freedom to protest in its many peaceful forms). I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. "Republic for which it stands" seems to me to mean the flag represents the Republic, which is a form of government. It doesn't say "to the people" or "to the country" it specifically points out that it stands for the Republic aka the government. The pledge was formally adopted about 150 years after the flag, so I guess you could say Congress decided that the words fit. But you could also say it was just someone making shit up. I'm sure everyone is pretty aware of the "under God" addition, but the other addition of the pledge was "the flag of the United States of America." The pledge as originally written (by a Socialist, gasp!) just said "my flag" as it was supposedly intended for possible use in multiple countries. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 7, 2020 8:14:07 GMT -6
Well, as I stated, I don't know that it's an "official" stance, but that it's always been my understanding. If you have a different "authority" then say so instead of trying to be coy. I’m not being coy. You made a blanket statement of fact with no support. If you presented supporting evidence you might have convinced me that your statement was correct. Then make your counterpoint if you think I'm wrong. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 7, 2020 9:12:43 GMT -6
I’m not being coy. You made a blanket statement of fact with no support. If you presented supporting evidence you might have convinced me that your statement was correct. Then make your counterpoint if you think I'm wrong. I'm not trying to debate you or prove you wrong. You said not standing for the anthem told you how the person viewed the country. I merely suggested that not standing for the anthem could be evidence of how they viewed the government, not necessarily the country as a whole. You then said the flag does not represent the government, which honestly is a view I've never heard before, so I was curious if that was the common understanding and I was in the dark. My original point was more that I don't think refusing to stand for the anthem is sufficient evidence to determine how a person views the country. I oppose standing for the national anthem, but I'm the opposite of the marxist, racist crowd that has made kneeling a talking point. To me, the anthem and the flag are symbols of the overactive government I live under, and their unconstitutional command that we obediently perform certain acts showing respect to their symbols is un-American. I'm a freedom-loving, personal responsibility-advocating, libertarian, capitalist. So if Colin Kapernick and I were both not standing for the anthem you'd be making an uniformed judgment to think Colin Kapernick and I agree on our views of the country based on that one similarity. All that being said, maybe you see why I don't want to stand and why Kapernick doesn't want to stand as a distinction without a difference. If so, then your barometer of symbol-reverence to identify who is good and who is bad is working for you and you should stick with it. |
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