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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 25, 2020 11:14:34 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Sept 25, 2020 11:28:48 GMT -6
Ohhhhh man.
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Post by reevo on Sept 25, 2020 12:01:55 GMT -6
Just what we need! What the hell. Pretty freaking ignorant.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 25, 2020 12:25:31 GMT -6
yea fucking dumb.. So far no one has ran with it
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Post by villagepub on Sept 25, 2020 12:47:47 GMT -6
This will totally ruin recruiting. Walton may have to leave in order to establish a clean slate with the program. Doesn't sound like he's leading.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 25, 2020 12:50:07 GMT -6
This will hit nationally and it won’t be good.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 25, 2020 13:26:49 GMT -6
Sounds like the MVB team isn't "woke" enough for Turner's liking, and he has an axe to grind.
Some of these things are non-issues, being blown up to make it sound worse.
"Ball State players for multiple years said the word neighbor as an euphemism for the n-word." So? Would he rather them use the actual n-word?
"Ball State coach Joel Walton in 2015 said the n-word during a team meeting when describing musical lyrics he didn’t want to hear in the locker room." I know people get uncomfortable when white people use it, but sometimes you need to be very clear. The article states that's the only time he said it, so I'm not sure why it's such an issue.
"Multiple Ball State players said the n-word in the presence of Black teammates during team parties in recent years." Yeah, that's not right. But do the black players use the term?
"Walton in 2017 discouraged players from kneeling during the national anthem." Here is the crux of the matter. Kneeling has created distraction and division on teams, and I would have done the same.
Look, half of the top 40 songs at any given time have the n-word in them, and kids are idiots, so I don't know how you can expect everyone to be able to adhere to the constantly changing rules. Especially when you have a set of rules for white, and a different set for black.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2020 9:49:53 GMT -6
From today's StarPress:
"In fact, Turner said he would not have gone public in this manner had he seen the BSU men’s volleyball program do more than it did in the wake of national response to the death of George Floyd, a Black man who died in police custody in Minneapolis in May."
That just reinforces what I said about the team not being "woke" enough.
It's garbage.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 2, 2020 9:59:44 GMT -6
And now the national media WILL pick this story up and here we go.
Not that any of what may have happened or was perceived to have happened was right, but in the big picture it’s so incredibly minor. Basically it’s “I made myself the arbiter of what I think you should say on an issue and you didn’t say what I think you should have said so I’m going to destroy you.” Where and when is enough?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2020 10:24:43 GMT -6
Welcome to cancel culture.
It's like bottom-up fascism.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 2, 2020 13:40:07 GMT -6
And now the national media WILL pick this story up and here we go. Not that any of what may have happened or was perceived to have happened was right, but in the big picture it’s so incredibly minor. Basically it’s “I made myself the arbiter of what I think you should say on an issue and you didn’t say what I think you should have said so I’m going to destroy you.” Where and when is enough? Staff and Head Coach both should have known better. Especially using the N-word with a black kid in the room. Doubtful under any circumstances.
This is one of those cases where the player might have actually talked to a coach, any coach and explained how he saw things. And how it added up for him. What's a shame is both that the coaches were insensitive and wrong, however minor the wrong, but also that the communication with players was poor.
If the other players had adopted these euphemisms for race and used them and coaches had to notice. Team is what I'd worry about, because that is a culture whether the other players could have been clueless and needed a heads up, could have been consciously excluding a team mate. Totally apart from race that is not a healthy team.
This is not just PR. Even under the previous administration there was plenty of training and emphasis on this kind of issue. This was an old time successful coach who either ignored it as unimportant or thought he was above it. Beth will not stand for either.
I think he should be disciplined. Expect the AD to hit him pretty hard.
His apology looks fine, he may be completely sincere, I hope he learned his lesson and all. But she won't just leave it at that, has to be a consequence.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 2, 2020 13:59:02 GMT -6
Yeah, we can't take the chance of appearing "unwoke" and have people come in and start burning the place down.
Grab the torches and pitchforks.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 2, 2020 14:56:03 GMT -6
Maybe This was wrong though.
And we can't afford coaches ignoring university authority.
This department had any number of problems with management that was weak. This is a new sheriff I think.
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Post by villagepub on Oct 2, 2020 20:34:24 GMT -6
And now the national media WILL pick this story up and here we go. Not that any of what may have happened or was perceived to have happened was right, but in the big picture it’s so incredibly minor. Basically it’s “I made myself the arbiter of what I think you should say on an issue and you didn’t say what I think you should have said so I’m going to destroy you.” Where and when is enough? Staff and Head Coach both should have known better. Especially using the N-word with a black kid in the room. Doubtful under any circumstances.
With a black kid in the room??? How about never? Bury that damn word. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 2, 2020 21:23:18 GMT -6
Thats one thing I do not get If your using the N word in a general conversation among adults and not at all using it negative way.. Like I cant believe he called him blankety blank. Is that really that bad? I do not think it used to be. I know I have had conversations with black friends over the years where both of us were using the word in a race conversations. I think if I had those same conversations today it might be different
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