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Post by 00hmh on Nov 16, 2020 9:58:41 GMT -6
I'm sorry I just can't believe that. That just sounds like a "wise guys" call for attention More likely the publishers desire for clicks on his website. It is reported the address for the source is an abandoned building in Buffalo.
The mobster in question was one that flipped on the mob and led Donald Trump to say during a "Fox & Friends" interview last summer that flippers who cooperate with prosecutors to get a reduced sentence "almost ought to be illegal." Special counsel Robert Mueller has relied on numerous cooperators in his probe of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
Merlino, 56, agreed to plead guilty in April so he could avoid a retrial in a racketeering case that ended with a hung jury in February.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 16, 2020 12:13:35 GMT -6
So, for the moment let's assume the recounts and lawsuits are resolved and as it appears now there is no real basis for dispute on the election.
Will the story be that Trump is just a sore loser?
Actively wants to harm the incoming administration regardless of the odds of his success?
Is really just fund raising for his post election political activities?
What I observe is that his whole career has featured making losses into net gains financially by not paying his debts and not acknowledging anything ever was not great. On to the next act!
The interesting question that raises is what is that next act? And. How does he monetize his fervent following to take advantage?
What is it he wants out of this assuming he really doesn't believe he won?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 16, 2020 12:22:47 GMT -6
So, for the moment let's assume the recounts and lawsuits are resolved and as it appears now there is no real basis for dispute on the election.
Will the story be that Trump is just a sore loser?
Actively wants to harm the incoming administration regardless of the odds of his success?
Is really just fund raising for his post election political activities?
What I observe is that his whole career has featured making losses into net gains financially by not paying his debts and not acknowledging anything ever was not great. On to the next act!
The interesting question that raises is what is that next act? And. How does he monetize his fervent following to take advantage?
What is it he wants out of this assuming he really doesn't believe he won?
He could honestly just be working his Brand right now.. He will be able to literally slap a slogan/make aresteraunt/sell his own feces what ever and his supporters are going to buy anything he mentions |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 16, 2020 12:31:32 GMT -6
The other question is what does Trump do in the last 9 weeks of his presidency besides contest the election?
He has that power as President, how does he use it?
There is some danger history records him as a figure like Nero. He fiddles while Rome burns.
His business history suggests he uses it to build his brand, yes, but also punish his perceived enemies and escape the damage he created.
How does he best use government for that?
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 16, 2020 21:43:40 GMT -6
I Stopped paying attention after a couple days.. So was there cheating or not So far the Trump legal team, now spearheaded by Rudy is something like 1 for 25 on their efforts.
It does not look good for Team Trump in this as it plays out. The real pros have jumped ship and have been dropping lawsuits as untenable, and telling Trump the remaining efforts are on the margin of legal ethics or are very unlikely to succeed.
The legal team was actually disintegrating from the start right after the disastrous kick off that Rudy engineered in a parking lot between a porn shop and crematorium. Trump now depends on his loyal friends and relatives, he values loyalty of others to him and values that over sound advice quite often. There are few still on board with Rudy now firmly in charge after more lawyers quit late last week. He will hang in there since he has little ethical concern about baseless lawsuits, and little reputation left in the legal community to lose. |
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Post by villagepub on Nov 17, 2020 8:53:30 GMT -6
I Stopped paying attention after a couple days.. So was there cheating or not So far the Trump legal team, now spearheaded by Rudy is something like 1 for 25 on their efforts.
It does not look good for Team Trump in this as it plays out. The real pros have jumped ship and have been dropping lawsuits as untenable, and telling Trump the remaining efforts are on the margin of legal ethics or are very unlikely to succeed.
The legal team was actually disintegrating from the start right after the disastrous kick off that Rudy engineered in a parking lot between a porn shop and crematorium. Trump now depends on his loyal friends and relatives, he values loyalty of others to him and values that over sound advice quite often. There are few still on board with Rudy now firmly in charge after more lawyers quit late last week. He will hang in there since he has little ethical concern about baseless lawsuits, and little reputation left in the legal community to lose. You have to let the process play out, instead of squelching any challenges. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 17, 2020 9:22:41 GMT -6
I thought a porn shop and a creamatorium were the same thing.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2020 9:31:14 GMT -6
So far the Trump legal team, now spearheaded by Rudy is something like 1 for 25 on their efforts.
It does not look good for Team Trump in this as it plays out. The real pros have jumped ship and have been dropping lawsuits as untenable, and telling Trump the remaining efforts are on the margin of legal ethics or are very unlikely to succeed......There are few still on board with Rudy now firmly in charge after more lawyers quit late last week. He will hang in there since he has little ethical concern about baseless lawsuits, and little reputation left in the legal community to lose. You have to let the process play out, instead of squelching any challenges. Not exactly true.
Although the system is abused and nuisance suits are all too frequent, there is a restriction on a "right to sue." As a working lawyer you do use lawsuits and threats of lawsuits frequently, and can push the envelope on that. But there is a limit and you have to caution clients that nuisance lawsuits can backfire. A good lawyer points this out to the other side if they are suing on frivolous grounds and I have stopped such suits cold when I asked for attorney's fees, or threatened to...
The law is that you cannot file or pursue litigation unless you have factual and legal support.
It is both a legal and ethical norm as the ethical canons in all states mandate that lawyers not bring a civil action “unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous.”
Since 1983, Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 has required that lawyers and their clients not commence a lawsuit unless based on (1) well-grounded evidentiary facts, (2) a basis in law, and (3) a proper purpose.
If there is no way to actually win the election even if some irregularities exist there is no "proper purpose" especially since Trump has discussed delaying the certification just to convene friendly state legislatures, argue the system is hung up and then get them to choose electors contrary to apparent popular vote. Delayfor the purpose of hanging the system is not a good reason.
The “good facts” rule says the lawyer has a duty to conduct a reasonable investigation and substantiate the facts before filing a lawsuit making unsupported general allegations of misconduct. That describes many of these lawsuits that have been dropped or dismissed. Dismissed by judges, dropped by Trump lawyers who did not want to skirt ethical norms and face sanctions.
In many of these cases the Trump team has admitted no specific factual basis and are using some kind of vague public interest guideline which is inappropriate for the purpose of delay and to engage in a fishing expedition.
There are legal consequences (Trump doesn't care, Rudy doesn't care) to the working lawyers and the client since if the court concludes that litigation was filed without a sufficient factual or legal basis, it has the power to impose financial sanctions, including the payment of the other side’s attorney’s fees. Lawyers could be disciplined.
Trump doesn't care because he is fund raising from loyal supporters and playing with other people's money, which is his modus operandi in business. Rudy doesn't care, he is almost not a real lawyer anymore.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2020 9:32:32 GMT -6
I thought a porn shop and a creamatorium were the same thing. Good catch! |
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Post by villagepub on Nov 17, 2020 12:10:54 GMT -6
You have to let the process play out, instead of squelching any challenges. Not exactly true.
Although the system is abused and nuisance suits are all too frequent, there is a restriction on a "right to sue." As a working lawyer you do use lawsuits and threats of lawsuits frequently, and can push the envelope on that. But there is a limit and you have to caution clients that nuisance lawsuits can backfire. A good lawyer points this out to the other side if they are suing on frivolous grounds and I have stopped such suits cold when I asked for attorney's fees, or threatened to...
The law is that you cannot file or pursue litigation unless you have factual and legal support.
It is both a legal and ethical norm as the ethical canons in all states mandate that lawyers not bring a civil action “unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous.”
Since 1983, Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 has required that lawyers and their clients not commence a lawsuit unless based on (1) well-grounded evidentiary facts, (2) a basis in law, and (3) a proper purpose.
If there is no way to actually win the election even if some irregularities exist there is no "proper purpose" especially since Trump has discussed delaying the certification just to convene friendly state legislatures, argue the system is hung up and then get them to choose electors contrary to apparent popular vote. Delayfor the purpose of hanging the system is not a good reason.
The “good facts” rule says the lawyer has a duty to conduct a reasonable investigation and substantiate the facts before filing a lawsuit making unsupported general allegations of misconduct. That describes many of these lawsuits that have been dropped or dismissed. Dismissed by judges, dropped by Trump lawyers who did not want to skirt ethical norms and face sanctions.
In many of these cases the Trump team has admitted no specific factual basis and are using some kind of vague public interest guideline which is inappropriate for the purpose of delay and to engage in a fishing expedition.
There are legal consequences (Trump doesn't care, Rudy doesn't care) to the working lawyers and the client since if the court concludes that litigation was filed without a sufficient factual or legal basis, it has the power to impose financial sanctions, including the payment of the other side’s attorney’s fees. Lawyers could be disciplined.
Trump doesn't care because he is fund raising from loyal supporters and playing with other people's money, which is his modus operandi in business. Rudy doesn't care, he is almost not a real lawyer anymore.
No. Very true. If you want voter confidence, let the challenges happen, then excuse them as the facts become clear. Voters have very little confidence in the process. This helps. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2020 15:20:02 GMT -6
Legit challenge nobody argues about that.
But challenges that are just throwing things out to see if anything sticks, no.
And if purpose is just to delay certification or to create conspiracy theory, no.
Without the "steal" rhetoric, with respect for the system, and with a bit more substance, all this would be harmless.
Losing almost every case is not evidence of vast conspiracy. It is more likely to be evidence of bad faith efforts. Harmful to democracy when hyped to the faithful as rigged election.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 17, 2020 18:10:15 GMT -6
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Nov 18, 2020 4:29:36 GMT -6
Legit challenge nobody argues about that. But challenges that are just throwing things out to see if anything sticks, no. And if purpose is just to delay certification or to create conspiracy theory, no. . Certainly you have heard the name Adam Schiff... Ultimately, I agree with you on the law suit but also understand exploring every possible option. The part that will always drive me up the wall is the pure, not even shy about it, hypocrisy from the ruling class which you have seemed to get behind... |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 18, 2020 5:37:03 GMT -6
I want government to work.
My gripe is that this current ruling class features incompetent leaders who instead of surgically cleaning up problems just create dysfunction.
When you control WH, Senate and state houses you are the ruling class too
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Post by bleadingcardwhite on Nov 18, 2020 10:57:17 GMT -6
Did you like Harry Reid?
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