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Post by lmills72 on Mar 29, 2021 21:35:28 GMT -6
Maybe our best hope now is that Goetz is in San Antonio searching for her next gig and leaves. She skips down without giving Whitford an extension. A new AD likely comes on board too late to fire Whitford but maybe at least doesn't extend him, then jettisons him next year after an evaluation leads him/her to the most logical conclusion. Surely a magic rainbow-farting unicorn plays into this scenario somehow? These are the only things I can come up with when I've lost all hope. So ... yes the magic rainbow-farting unicorn is definitely in play. So is the Motaur from the Progressive Insurance ad campaign, all the Whos from Whoville, and Jack Skellington. I'm just not sure how.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 30, 2021 6:23:43 GMT -6
Unfortunately I think all the mythical creatures won't matter. He will get a year probably. I hope that's all. As discussed, no Coleman and all the seniors gone is a disaster in the making next year. We went 10-13 this year. Next year looks worse than that. If you extend more than a year you're just throwing in the towel.
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Post by universityjim on Mar 30, 2021 7:35:59 GMT -6
Unfortunately I think all the mythical creatures won't matter. He will get a year probably. I hope that's all. As discussed, no Coleman and all the seniors gone is a disaster in the making next year. We went 10-13 this year. Next year looks worse than that. If you extend more than a year you're just throwing in the towel. If you extend at all you are delusional and we are in the same spot we are now next year. He's had 8 years. It's not just going to all of a sudden click. Do we really need to have a season where we win fewer than ten games before it hits home for these people? Sorry. I know this has been said over and over again. Just venting. Exceptionally frustrated with the situation.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 30, 2021 7:44:07 GMT -6
The best coaches, at all levels, create a true team-first culture that is intolerant of me-first behavior. It sticks out like a sore thumb and the player knows before EVER setting foot on the court that is the case. He's a 20-year old kid who like most 20-year old kids doesn't know shit from shinola other than what social media and his personal echo chamber tell him. There are two good points there. Some coaches are better than others dealing with head cases of various types. But. It looks that way more often than it is true. All coaches face the problem and basically respond the same.
The 20 year old kid part is what every coach struggles with. At the better programs where Coleman might aspire to get the recognition he craves and the magic competition that gives him a boost to the next level, he will find that there are more talented players he has to compete with, and gasp, he can benched if he does not change. He may assume that can't happen, he's too good.
The top coaches who are temporarily at lower levels have to find good players with good character to be really successful. That is hit and miss. They are not really significantly more likely to change that 20 year old who knows, thinks, he is the most talented player and cannot be benched. Most often he keeps at it, with mixed results trying to change the player, and succeeds where he can get enough good players to bench that kid.
We criticized seeing good recruits, including Coleman red shirt, we criticized seeing Teague not play much early when we knew he was talented. Anybody working with him knew that and knew he was not focused. That took time, and for many games as he physically matured we had no real choice to bench him. FINALLY, and grudgingly Teague realized he had one more year and buckled down to be a player we appreciated very much.
At a bigger school with a better program we might say that great coach would have turned him around sooner, but the key to that would probably have been benching him and playing another player as good or nearly as good. That is the time tested method. But. More likely than responding well in today's rules he'd have transferred for PT. And his new lower level school would celebrate getting the talent.
This is not a trend that bodes well for coaches at lower levels "developing" talent. They are going to lose it too often to the higher level schools when they succeed. Or in the case of Coleman half succeed maybe. Coleman (and Ish) has not yet found the promised land, so we'll see how it works out for them. I wish them luck.
I do not buy the theory it was all failed coaching that prevented them from greater or quicker success here.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 30, 2021 7:50:53 GMT -6
He will get a year probably. I hope that's all. As discussed, no Coleman and all the seniors gone is a disaster in the making next year. We went 10-13 this year. Next year looks worse than that. If you extend more than a year you're just throwing in the towel. Without seeing who we suit up next year, i will never throw in the towel at this point. I admit I am an optimist and unlike many here thought we had more promise this year than 10-13, and I do buy we got hit harder by Covid and it significantly hurt us.
We are collectively a pessimistic lot. If you look back at the preseason polls done on the forum, many predicted worse records even. I am pretty sure that will happen next year. I am not of course anything like full blown "kid mode" optimistic, but reserve my judgment.
I thought Coleman was coming along well enough and despite his obvious flaws am not in tune with all the criticism of coaching with respect to him, and thought we'd have his services another year. If he realized he had to lock down on the defensive end and realized how much his pushing the envelope on offense hurt him, he had a chance to be a legit mid major star.
The only optimism I can muster right now is that I like our staff of assistants, don't think we can do much better there, and I like the kids recruited this year. Decent size for a change, all having some athleticism. I want more shooting on the team.
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Post by CallingBS on Mar 30, 2021 7:53:31 GMT -6
Unfortunately I think all the mythical creatures won't matter. He will get a year probably. I hope that's all. As discussed, no Coleman and all the seniors gone is a disaster in the making next year. We went 10-13 this year. Next year looks worse than that. If you extend more than a year you're just throwing in the towel. If you extend at all you are delusional and we are in the same spot we are now next year. He's had 8 years. It's not just going to all of a sudden click. Do we really need to have a season where we win fewer than ten games before it hits home for these people? Sorry. I know this has been said over and over again. Just venting. Exceptionally frustrated with the situation. While those saying he will get a one-year extension are probably right, ANY extension is incredibly poor financial management and just exceptionally bad strategically and from a stewardship of resources and the program perspective. People say, what about recruiting if you lame duck him? Come on, does it really matter? He'll just throw shit on the wall and see what sticks with washout transfers at the end of the recruiting season anyway. It sends a very strong message that the administration doesn't care. But hey, Mearns' has proven he aspires to Mediocre State U with virtually every decision he's made, so it fits. I am venting as well. Sick of the garbage.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 30, 2021 8:18:53 GMT -6
If you extend at all you are delusional and we are in the same spot we are now next year....Just venting. Exceptionally frustrated with the situation. While those saying he will get a one-year extension are probably right, ANY extension is incredibly poor financial management and just exceptionally bad strategically and from a stewardship of resources and the program perspective. That is not so clear. We are in a year or so of real uncertainty financially.
It may become MUCH worse. It may become at least stable. I see no real optimistic scenario.
That uncertainty is not just at BSU but across the MAC.
I lean toward saying it is very poor financial management and strategy to make a longer term decision like a 5 year coaching contract this year. Especially with a buy out. And to plan on playing out the contract and counting on it being a good time to do it after another year is not at all without other risks than recruiting short term. Knowing where we are after two years makes more sense to me.
The venting part mentioned above is something we all understand though.
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Post by sweep on Mar 30, 2021 9:01:28 GMT -6
While those saying he will get a one-year extension are probably right, ANY extension is incredibly poor financial management and just exceptionally bad strategically and from a stewardship of resources and the program perspective. That is not so clear. We are in a year or so of real uncertainty financially.
It may become MUCH worse. It may become at least stable. I see no real optimistic scenario.
That uncertainty is not just at BSU but across the MAC.
I lean toward saying it is very poor financial management and strategy to make a longer term decision like a 5 year coaching contract this year. Especially with a buy out. And to plan on playing out the contract and counting on it being a good time to do it after another year is not at all without other risks than recruiting short term. Knowing where we are after two years makes more sense to me.
The venting part mentioned above is something we all understand though.
You have absolutely lost your mind.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 30, 2021 10:03:09 GMT -6
That is not so clear. We are in a year or so of real uncertainty financially.
It may become MUCH worse. It may become at least stable. I see no real optimistic scenario.
That uncertainty is not just at BSU but across the MAC.
You have absolutely lost your mind. Really?
Ball State is flush? Athletics is in a great place to make long term plans?
The MAC is stable and really looking good in the future?
If you believe that or that it is irrelevant in making long term plans, I have to disagree about who has lost their mind. Financial planning is based on balancing risk and return and uncertainty creates risk, the unpredictable nature of financial projections is the basic definition of risk. We are not in a normal environment right now.
There are all kinds of general rules, and situations where all things were more or less normal. Then I might see the situation differently. I do not think it is clear cut.
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Post by cbcjanney on Mar 30, 2021 11:06:00 GMT -6
Not unexpected of course, but Zach Gunn now officially in the transfer portal as well...expect a Guskey Star-Press article summarizing all of the transfers soon?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 30, 2021 11:12:17 GMT -6
Not unexpected of course, but Zach Gunn now officially in the transfer portal as well...expect a Guskey Star-Press article summarizing all of the transfers soon? This should have been a given
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 30, 2021 11:23:26 GMT -6
So we are losing 4 guys who started games and Gunn.. This is going to get ugly we also have no idea if Jones will ever be healthy.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 30, 2021 11:30:35 GMT -6
And at least one idiot on the Board is trying to justify why an extension makes perfect sense. Gunn is leaving because of PT, Coleman because he thinks he's too good for us and he's a me-first guy. The future has never looked brighter!
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Post by sweep on Mar 30, 2021 11:36:36 GMT -6
You have absolutely lost your mind. Really?
Ball State is flush? Athletics is in a great place to make long term plans?
The MAC is stable and really looking good in the future?
If you believe that or that it is irrelevant in making long term plans, I have to disagree about who has lost their mind. Financial planning is based on balancing risk and return and uncertainty creates risk, the unpredictable nature of financial projections is the basic definition of risk. We are not in a normal environment right now.
There are all kinds of general rules, and situations where all things were more or less normal. Then I might see the situation differently. I do not think it is clear cut.
Are you well ? Have you had any kind of cognitive health exam in the last several years ? You aren't reacting rationally to normal issues.
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Post by sweep on Mar 30, 2021 11:48:09 GMT -6
Gunn is going to wind-up in D2.
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