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Post by cardtalk on Mar 9, 2022 10:04:35 GMT -6
Are you sure about those 2012 figures? Pretty sure I read that NIU net lost money on the Orange Bowl due to having to cover the ticket allotment. Well Sherm ... you might be right. I reference Wikipedia (I know, never trust Wikipedia) for the pay out. Another source I found, puts it at $17M per school and a Hustle Belt article regarding the game stated the conference pulled in $8M and NIU netted a profit (albeit not a huge amount) from the game. I'll correct the figures above. |
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Post by cardtalk on Mar 9, 2022 10:10:53 GMT -6
From the Conference's stand point - I think they push football because it benefits THEM more than the member schools. Truly, with the expenses of football vs basketball - pushing basketball to get another team into the tournament probably would be better for the member schools because the cost is so much less. But the conference would lose out on the bigger payouts at the expense of the member schools.
And I am football guy...
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2022 10:25:29 GMT -6
Just trying to put monetary figures on payouts for both sports and the postseason (I know that it is drastically more to send a football team to an away bowl than a basketball team to the tournament, so I did not include expenses ... only payouts). This also how I understand payouts to work based on what I have read...Again, I totally understand the cost involved in sending a football team to a bowl game is WAY larger than a basketball team ... but I also see why the conference would push football over basketball, because even though no one cares about a meaningless Camellia Bowl invitation outside of the football program and people who are close fans ... that is still a lot of dough for the conference. You say you know the expense side is important, but then don't address it.
When MAC schools spend and lose millions collectively every year to fund FB programs, the bowl revenue even in a good year doesn't put much dent in that. IF any.
In many years the bowl revenue doesn't cover or barely covers the cost of participation. A conference school typically makes more revenue (and net) by playing a P5 school "money game."
The value imputed to a bowl game is usually much more the "exposure" for recruiting and publicity for the University. Arguing profit and loss on the income statement is dubious.
If we looked at post season as the payoff for investment in a sport, the ROI for conference schools collectively in BB is higher. Not only a lower investment, but higher net return. It still loses money since we really don't expense the facilities, but I'll buy that all sports including FB do add value to the university separate from the income statement and may be part of the normal overhead of running a university.
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Post by realitycheck on Mar 9, 2022 10:39:21 GMT -6
This thread has more lives than an alley cat. Could someone throw some favorite recipes and a few funny viral videos in too?
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2022 10:53:39 GMT -6
Are you sure about those 2012 figures? Pretty sure I read that NIU net lost money on the Orange Bowl due to having to cover the ticket allotment. could it be that they lost money but because the money is split the conference as whole gained money If a major bowl is involved it is possible. For that bowl.
The new G5 agreement about the playoffs and bowls may boost MAC revenue. And, I am sure the conference gets a cut out of the bowls it has negotiated participation in. All that may offset some of the expense of conference administrative costs which come with membership.
In many bowls the total expenses born by the participating school is greater than the total payout. So however you calculate the conference can't be ahead of the game for those bowls.
The big question remaining is how much of the large loss to each conference school for having FBS football is paid back by the bowl season.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2022 10:59:45 GMT -6
From the Conference's stand point - I think they push football because it benefits THEM more than the member schools. Wait a minute. The conference is a partnership of member schools not some independent entity. The Presidents control this even if the MAC office may represent an agency problem and a wasteful drain on the member schools making some decisions for the administrators pleasure. If all the MAC schools are suffering excessive loss of benefits, the Presidents are to blame.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 11:30:35 GMT -6
could it be that they lost money but because the money is split the conference as whole gained money Well "it gained" money relative to other worse case scenarios, but the reality is MAC member schools lost huge amounts of money in 2012, just like every other year. again no one is going to argue that. The Mac and ever other g5 and many p5 schools will continue to lose money. I'm not sure they can ever not lose money on football. The cost is just crazy |
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Post by cardtalk on Mar 9, 2022 12:27:23 GMT -6
This thread has more lives than an alley cat. Could someone throw some favorite recipes and a few funny viral videos in too? Dude ... I have an AMAZING Cincinnati Chili recipe. My wife also makes a mean garlic-parm chicken and pasta ... |
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Post by cardtalk on Mar 9, 2022 12:36:12 GMT -6
Oh, and DESMOND BANE!
That will keep the thread going forever
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Post by david75bsu on Mar 9, 2022 12:50:55 GMT -6
There's no argument to be made about cost like I've said 1000 times before football is a money pit at this level. That's not going to change until conference wide change is made. We ask why football gets all the money and preferential treatment though. Maybe the answer is because that's what the general consumer/fan wants. The reason FB gets the money now is because we are in the MAC and committed to FBS as a result.
Why are we in the MAC? Not just for athletics I would argue, certainly not just for FB. There is a lot of history in that move, including what college FB looked like at the time. Joining the MAC fit other institutional needs for comparison of the institutions for academic and budget purposes. There was also a need for a better conference affiliation for all sports.
For decades the whole "we are sorta like the B10" model for BSU and MAC schools was useful. Ohio, Michigan schools which were better funded and became a metric and an argument to raise our academic budgets as well as athletic budget. But, significantly, it was also for decades a time when FB costs were much lower and with BSU enrollment rising there was reasonable belief costs were half way justifiable in the budget.
That conference affiliation is still significant but the FBS thing is as we have discussed many times headed for a looming crisis.
In 1975 when you joined the MAC, Indiana State also wanted in the MAC. We had about the same student enrollment. We were invited and Indiana State was left out in the cold. Their enrollment stagnated, ours grew. Athletics grew. Academic standing increased. Our image in the state went up! Being in the MAC has given many benefits to the University. Now the MAC has stagnated. It needs to decide if it truly wants to be a leader of the Group of Five, or be the bottom feeder in this group. Each University needs to step up. We are clearly at the bottom of the Group of Five at this time. Not acceptable to me - but I’m not the AD, the University President, nor on the Board. |
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Post by sweep on Mar 9, 2022 12:59:59 GMT -6
This thread has more lives than an alley cat. Could someone throw some favorite recipes and a few funny viral videos in too? Dude ... I have an AMAZING Cincinnati Chili recipe. My wife also makes a mean garlic-parm chicken and pasta ... There is nothing amazing about Cincinnati Chili regardless of the recipe. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 13:06:17 GMT -6
Dude ... I have an AMAZING Cincinnati Chili recipe. My wife also makes a mean garlic-parm chicken and pasta ... There is nothing amazing about Cincinnati Chili regardless of the recipe. I also knew you were crazy but this take is awful... Skyline for life |
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Post by sweep on Mar 9, 2022 13:16:30 GMT -6
There is nothing amazing about Cincinnati Chili regardless of the recipe. I also knew you were crazy but this take is awful... Skyline for life Skyline in the garbage along with Gold Star, Camp Washington and Empress. They are all terrible. How do people eat that crap ? |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 9, 2022 13:17:21 GMT -6
I also knew you were crazy but this take is awful... Skyline for life Skyline in the garbage along with Gold Star, Camp Washington and Empress. They are all terrible. How do people eat that crap ? Truth |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 9, 2022 13:26:38 GMT -6
How do people eat that crap ? A high threshold for pain and a suppressed gag reflex. Just how I like my women. |
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