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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 1:29:29 GMT -6
I was trying to figure out a way to show and compare interest between basketball and football. I tried some fancy twitter metric/analytic reports but I was not getting the numbers I needed. Then it dawned on me why not just look at amount of followers each official page has. I used Twitter because that's where most sport fans get their sports from these days
BALL STATE FB 45,000 B ball 10,000 that's pretty cut and dry 35,000 more people on twitter choose to get football info.
I then thought what about the rest of the MAC
Akron 42 and 10k
Kent 47 and 8700
Miami 45 and 7500
Bg 36 and 7600
Ohio 44 and 15k
Buff 37k 17k
Cmu 55 11.5
Emu 40 k and 1500
Wmu 61k and 6600
Niu 44 and 5
Toledo 45 and 1650
So the numbers hold true across the mac football at least on twitter crushes basketball across the board.
Also interesting BSU around top 3 if you combine numbers. I figured we would be lower
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 1:40:10 GMT -6
Just too look st
Ohio state football 456k
Alabama 1mill
Marshall 57k
Tulane 35k
East Carolina 76k
Fau football 55
Just random teams I thought of
Looks like the mac is around or little behind other g5 schools
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Post by cardfan on Mar 9, 2022 4:12:56 GMT -6
Basketball is just no longer a priority. It doesn’t drive the interest or the money. Now, all the Michigan directionals and NIU have finally gotten fed up and changed basketball coaches. the Bsu tolerance level for mediocrity is just higher. Our administration will hang its hat on any excuse to just keep Whitford. It’s path of least resistance and least risk.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2022 6:44:01 GMT -6
Butler basketball 70.3K. And their students didn't pay out $10 million per year to get them.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2022 6:57:30 GMT -6
Twitter interest isn't paying the bills in the MAC.
Should budget allocation be made on that basis?
Fan interest in P5 translates into revenue. Not so sure the Twitter metric has policy relevance.
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Post by coastalcard on Mar 9, 2022 7:09:03 GMT -6
If both your football team and basketball team suck exponentially for multiple years, it makes perfect sense to follow the one with the least number of attempts to perpetuate that sucking experience
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2022 7:21:16 GMT -6
Calhoun's numbers are a highly effective counter to anyone making the point that MAC basketball programs are currently more popular than MAC football programs. I'm not personally aware of anyone trying to make that point, but if anyone ever does, Calhoun will crush them.
When you look at the comparison from a perspective of cost/benefits and potential, it's very different. For example ask yourself what is the most successful ANY mac football program as EVER been, and what was the short and long term financial impact for the school. the mac football situation is 100%, utterly and completely hopeless. It will exists as long as students have to pay a seven figure sum to keep it afloat.
On the basketball side, the situation is not completely hopeless....only mostly hopeless. This is because, for 20+ years, the administration has shown no competence or even any inclination to manage it in a sensible way. The cost/benefit and potential of the basketball situation is not impossible, just very, very unlikely to ever be positive. Thus I would not object to transforming the basketball program to some lower cost level of competition where it could be managed as poorly as it currently is without losing all the money...for example on the coach's salary.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Mar 9, 2022 7:23:38 GMT -6
A lot to be quoted and a little late to the thread, but good list, Mills! You only left out stomping Purdue twice.
I think 2008 is an even better example; BSU was undefeated and highly ranked, and the best-case scenario most were hoping for was a midweek December bowl game in Detroit, against maybe(!) a 6-6 Notre Dame team. A true dream season, and that was as good as it was going to get. Although that might have worked out OK because ND probably would've declined that bid and we could crow about it forever! Instead, we lost our HC and crapped the bed.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 9:27:30 GMT -6
There's no argument to be made about cost like I've said 1000 times before football is a money pit at this level. That's not going to change until conference wide change is made. We ask why football gets all the money and preferential treatment though. Maybe the answer is because that's what the general consumer/fan wants.
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Post by cardtalk on Mar 9, 2022 9:37:41 GMT -6
Just trying to put monetary figures on payouts for both sports and the postseason (I know that it is drastically more to send a football team to an away bowl than a basketball team to the tournament, so I did not include expenses ... only payouts). This also how I understand payouts to work based on what I have read
Payouts for the conference (and then for the schools)
Average football season (2021)
Bowls played in and payouts
Quick Lane Bowl - $2M
Camelia Bowl - $300K
Frisco Football Classic - $300K
Potato Bowl - $800K
Bahamas Bowl - $225K
Cure Bowl - $573K
Total payout for the conference - $5,698,000
Average payout for school (I know the conference takes a cut and the numbers are higher for teams that make the bigger bowls versus the smaller bowls) - $474,833
NCAA Tournaments are paid on units over a 6 year period (2020 no tourney, no payout) - units are - 1 for making, 2 for second round, 3 for 3rd and so on ...
2021 - Ohio - 2 Units (second round) - $564,200
2020 - No tourney
2019 - Buffalo - 2 Units - $564,200
2018 - Buffalo - 2 units - $564,200
2017 - Kent - 1 unit - $282,100
2016 - Buffalo - 1 unit - $282,100
Total payout - $2,256,800
$188,067 per school - same as above with football - I am sure Ohio got a bigger chunk of this money than the other conference schools
Best case scenario for football - 2012
GoDaddy Bowl – $1,500,000
ORANGE Bowl – $8,000,000 - NIU
Independence Bowl – $2,200,000
Military Bowl – $2,000,000
Little Ceasars Bowl – $750,000
Beef O’ Brady Bowl – $1,125,000
Potato Bowl - $800,000
Total payout - $16,375,000
$1,364,583 per school
Again, I totally understand the cost involved in sending a football team to a bowl game is WAY larger than a basketball team ... but I also see why the conference would push football over basketball, because even though no one cares about a meaningless Camellia Bowl invitation outside of the football program and people who are close fans ... that is still a lot of dough for the conference.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 9, 2022 9:41:45 GMT -6
There's no argument to be made about cost like I've said 1000 times before football is a money pit at this level. That's not going to change until conference wide change is made. We ask why football gets all the money and preferential treatment though. Maybe the answer is because that's what the general consumer/fan wants. The reason FB gets the money now is because we are in the MAC and committed to FBS as a result.
Why are we in the MAC? Not just for athletics I would argue, certainly not just for FB. There is a lot of history in that move, including what college FB looked like at the time. Joining the MAC fit other institutional needs for comparison of the institutions for academic and budget purposes. There was also a need for a better conference affiliation for all sports.
For decades the whole "we are sorta like the B10" model for BSU and MAC schools was useful. Ohio, Michigan schools which were better funded and became a metric and an argument to raise our academic budgets as well as athletic budget. But, significantly, it was also for decades a time when FB costs were much lower and with BSU enrollment rising there was reasonable belief costs were half way justifiable in the budget.
That conference affiliation is still significant but the FBS thing is as we have discussed many times headed for a looming crisis.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 9:41:45 GMT -6
The other part is when people donate money that money might be getting earmarked for football specific. Meaning that even if the cvc or AD wanted to use it for any other sport they can't. I know the little bit I give I earmark to football
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 9, 2022 9:49:08 GMT -6
Are you sure about those 2012 figures? Pretty sure I read that NIU net lost money on the Orange Bowl due to having to cover the ticket allotment.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 9, 2022 9:52:47 GMT -6
Are you sure about those 2012 figures? Pretty sure I read that NIU net lost money on the Orange Bowl due to having to cover the ticket allotment. could it be that they lost money but because the money is split the conference as whole gained money |
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Post by sweep on Mar 9, 2022 10:00:03 GMT -6
Are you sure about those 2012 figures? Pretty sure I read that NIU net lost money on the Orange Bowl due to having to cover the ticket allotment. could it be that they lost money but because the money is split the conference as whole gained money Well "it gained" money relative to other worse case scenarios, but the reality is MAC member schools lost huge amounts of money in 2012, just like every other year. |
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