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Post by cardfan on May 2, 2022 8:55:45 GMT -6
Would like to have seen Brown stay. However, his leaving says more about him than Lewis. Lewis seems to be a demanding, hard nosed type that wants to win. If you don’t have the balls to be taught by this demanding person and feel you know it all, than I say, “Good bye and good luck.” It’s better for our team and for you. What was your name anyway? Every interview Lewis does he makes it VERY clear he cannot tolerate soft. He's just not going to allow or enable guys to be soft. He's going to tell them things they might not want to hear and he's going to push them. But he also says off the court during and after their time at BSU is done he'll be there for them as a friend and mentor. He will help them in anyway he can. So, if that's all true, then the guys who've stayed, who COULD have gone ahead and entered or remained in the portal but didn't must be players who want the push, the hard work they're going to get. They must be willing to handle the ugly they're hearing, at least so far. The way Brown bailed after a couple weeks appears to speak volumes..... |
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Post by villagepub on May 2, 2022 9:10:50 GMT -6
Would like to have seen Brown stay. However, his leaving says more about him than Lewis. Lewis seems to be a demanding, hard nosed type that wants to win. If you don’t have the balls to be taught by this demanding person and feel you know it all, than I say, “Good bye and good luck.” It’s better for our team and for you. What was your name anyway? Every interview Lewis does he makes it VERY clear he cannot tolerate soft. He's just not going to allow or enable guys to be soft. He's going to tell them things they might not want to hear and he's going to push them. But he also says off the court during and after their time at BSU is done he'll be there for them as a friend and mentor. He will help them in anyway he can. So, if that's all true, then the guys who've stayed, who COULD have gone ahead and entered or remained in the portal but didn't must be players who want the push, the hard work they're going to get. They must be willing to handle the ugly they're hearing, at least so far. The way Brown bailed after a couple weeks appears to speak volumes..... Sounds like someone is going to get triggered by his microaggressions. |
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Post by sweep on May 2, 2022 9:52:46 GMT -6
Obviously you offered Lewis a discount on your "highly regarded" jock sniffing service................. How do you know what, if anything, happened between Coach Lewis and Luke Brown ? You have a point about not knowing details, but surely something happened from what little we all do know. Seems to me the issue we are talking about is not fitting with coaching.
Who was that who commented just a day ago about Luke having trouble with coaching? Without knowing any more I do?
Stetson wasn't the correct fit. Whitford wasn't the correct fit. Lewis isn't the correct fit. See a pattern here ? Did you mean something else than what I said? Yeah, I didn't take a guess at a possible root cause and then try and portray it as fact. Did I insinuate the pattern likely reveals a quitter mentality and a possible issue with coaching, yes. Did I point to a specific cause, no. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 2, 2022 10:58:27 GMT -6
Not being in the profession I couldn't begin to know if Lewis is "highly regarded." I can only go by what current and former coaches said when Lewis was hired, all of whom seem to hold him in high regard.That seems to fit a reasonable definition of the term... This is a comical example of how people get invested in believing something and then present the flimsiest things as "evidence" of the rightness of their position. Let me ask you this: have you ever known of any new coaching hire in the history of the world where they didn't have at least a handful of friends to attest to their quality and guaranteed success in their new position? Or can you name a single example where the coaching fraternity produced any quotes like "This guy is a total f------ loser and will bomb in his new position"? |
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Post by 00hmh on May 2, 2022 11:45:08 GMT -6
That seems to fit a reasonable definition of the term... This is a comical example of how people get invested in believing something and then present the flimsiest things as "evidence" of the rightness of their position. Let me ask you this: have you ever known of any new coaching hire in the history of the world where they didn't have at least a handful of friends to attest to their quality and guaranteed success in their new position? Or can you name a single example where the coaching fraternity produced any quotes like "This guy is a total f------ loser and will bomb in his new position"? This discussion is not about whether there is guaranteed success.
If a former employer thought he is a loser and will bomb my guess is we wouldn't see him continually moving up the coaching ladder.
This is not only a "handful of friends" that regard him highly, is it??
No. The UCLA AD, who didn't know him previously, was paying him $350K after all. No. Mike has recommendations from Brad Stevens and the NCAA championship coach among others who he has worked for multiple years.
So let's get back to the only other fairly weak point you made. Is it really "flimsy evidence" of somebody being well regarded when cardfan cites that those who have known him in the past do regard him highly?
All that aside, do you really think Luke is helping himself when he moves on because he can't quite work with any of the three college coaching choices he has played for?
OK. I suppose I should consider that you would have preferred a panel of HS students to pick out someone slick who had never really coached at the college level and would no doubt give little weight and ignore old employers. Alas, Mike has never coached in HS, seems to talk to much about being tough and working your ass off. So, I concede that Luke might have been happier if BSU had ignored the silly conventional wisdom that successful experience is too highly valued in employment decisions, that listening to past employers opinions about prior experience at the college level is therefore a waste.
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Post by sweep on May 2, 2022 12:06:58 GMT -6
This is a comical example of how people get invested in believing something and then present the flimsiest things as "evidence" of the rightness of their position. Let me ask you this: have you ever known of any new coaching hire in the history of the world where they didn't have at least a handful of friends to attest to their quality and guaranteed success in their new position? Or can you name a single example where the coaching fraternity produced any quotes like "This guy is a total f------ loser and will bomb in his new position"? This discussion is not about whether there is guaranteed success.
If a former employer thought he is a loser and will bomb my guess is we wouldn't see him continually moving up the coaching ladder.
This is not only a "handful of friends" that regard him highly, is it??
No. The UCLA AD, who didn't know him previously, was paying him $350K after all. No. Mike has recommendations from Brad Stevens and the NCAA championship coach among others who he has worked for multiple years.
So let's get back to the only other fairly weak point you made. Is it really "flimsy evidence" of somebody being well regarded when cardfan cites that those who have known him in the past do regard him highly?
All that aside, do you really think Luke is helping himself when he moves on because he can't quite work with any of the three college coaching choices he has played for?
OK. I suppose I should consider that you would have preferred a panel of HS students to pick out someone slick who had never really coached at the college level and would no doubt give little weight and ignore old employers. Alas, Mike has never coached in HS, seems to talk to much about being tough and working your ass off. So, I concede that Luke might have been happier if BSU had ignored the silly conventional wisdom that successful experience is too highly valued in employment decisions, that listening to past employers opinions about prior experience at the college level is therefore a waste.
Head first right into Michael Lewis's hamper. Breath deeply 00, make it last. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 2, 2022 13:06:44 GMT -6
This discussion is not about whether there is guaranteed success....
All that aside, do you really think Luke is helping himself when he moves on because he can't quite work with any of the three college coaching choices he has played for?
Head first right into the Michael Lewis's hamper. Didn't take you and the General long to become skeptical anti-fans of a new coach. Why go all hostile about a post where it is suggested the new coach is well regarded?
It surely isn't because you think Luke Brown is all that? After all, as I point out above we are saying the same thing about the downside of his going into the portal.
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Post by sweep on May 2, 2022 13:20:49 GMT -6
Head first right into the Michael Lewis's hamper. Didn't take you and the General long to become skeptical anti-fans of a new coach. Why go all hostile about a post where it is suggested the new coach is well regarded?
It surely isn't because you think Luke Brown is all that? After all, as I point out above we are saying the same thing about the downside of his going into the portal.
Wow anti-fans, is that even a thing ? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on May 2, 2022 14:16:00 GMT -6
Head first right into the Michael Lewis's hamper. Didn't take you and the General long to become skeptical anti-fans of a new coach. Why go all hostile about a post where it is suggested the new coach is well regarded?
It surely isn't because you think Luke Brown is all that? After all, as I point out above we are saying the same thing about the downside of his going into the portal.
Didn't take you long to start over-analyzing things, either. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 2, 2022 15:55:35 GMT -6
Head first right into the Michael Lewis's hamper. Didn't take you and the General long to become skeptical anti-fans of a new coach. Why go all hostile about a post where it is suggested the new coach is well regarded?
It surely isn't because you think Luke Brown is all that? After all, as I point out above we are saying the same thing about the downside of his going into the portal.
"Anti-fan" = don't take PR blurbs from friends and coaching contacts at face value. Whatever. Meanwhile, in the world of actual reality, Lewis pulled two important players back from the portal. That's worth more than 10 zillion cubic feet of smoke blown up our asses from former Lewis associates. On the other hand, it's starting to get a bit worrying that no new portal players have been secured. These are the sorts of things serious, rational people pay attention to. Others have a stance on Lewis dictated to them by their glory days memories of their favorite program. |
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Post by 00hmh on May 2, 2022 16:26:42 GMT -6
Didn't take you and the General long to become skeptical anti-fans of a new coach. Why go all hostile about a post where it is suggested the new coach is well regarded?
It surely isn't because you think Luke Brown is all that? After all, as I point out above we are saying the same thing about the downside of his going into the portal.
On the other hand, it's starting to get a bit worrying that no new portal players have been secured. These are the sorts of things serious, rational people pay attention to. Others have a stance on Lewis dictated to them by their glory days memories of their favorite program. A bit worrying, but a very little bit. It's pretty hard to tell what "good, bad, ugly or normal" is with the portal. I'd expect some very late signings, and never expected some big haul by a new coach starting late.
Where we are at a disadvantage is probably with the HS recruits. Pickings are relatively slim, and our staff has not been working the pool of recruits all year with a few good prospects still on the hook a long time but not quite decided.
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Post by mjtcpa on May 2, 2022 18:19:52 GMT -6
Others have a stance on Lewis dictated to them by their glory days memories of their favorite program. As I remember from PSY101 the condition is referred to as cognitive dissonance. Seems that there is an abundance of it displayed here in regard to both coaches and players. As the Luke Brown drama plays out, it seems that we know very little facts. Perhaps we will never know the complete facts related to Luke and his basketball career at Ball State. Biased speculation serves no positive purpose in my opinion. I wish him well in what ever decision he makes. |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 2, 2022 18:54:17 GMT -6
I'd expect some very late signings, and never expected some big haul by a new coach starting late.
Damn...the excuse machine is revving up already! Let's hope some good portal signings soon make it superfluous. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 2, 2022 18:55:47 GMT -6
Others have a stance on Lewis dictated to them by their glory days memories of their favorite program. As I remember from PSY101 the condition is referred to as cognitive dissonance. Seems that there is an abundance of it displayed here in regard to both coaches and players. As the Luke Brown drama plays out, it seems that we know very little facts. Perhaps we will never know the complete facts related to Luke and his basketball career at Ball State. Biased speculation serves no positive purpose in my opinion. I wish him well in what ever decision he makes. We know he cleaned out his locker and is not coming back after a couple weeks of activities with lewis |
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Post by williamtsherman on May 2, 2022 18:59:22 GMT -6
Losing Brown is somewhat detrimental to depth at the point guard position.
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