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Post by david75bsu on Nov 24, 2022 8:18:53 GMT -6
If you review games, Paddock usually lost yards rushing. Our opponents usually had QB’s with well over 50 yards rushing, with several close or over 100 yards rushing. Look at almost every Top 25 team and you’ll see the same. Players in college our bigger, stronger, and faster than even in Neu’s playing days at Ball U. You must have a QB who has a solid run option. Paddock Lost yards in almost every single game. He almost refused to run with the ball. The defense never had to worry about him running, if he didn’t hand it off to Steel it was going to be a pass. We were much easier to defend that most teams in college football today. While I love the energy of Paddock, he is not going to be successful in leading the Cards to a strong season. Someone like Kelly has that ability. Neu needs to be willing to change his offense to meet today’s challenges. If not, we are in for more years of mediocrity! Not sure what the worst career record for a Ball State football coach is, but I have to believe he is knocking on the door. I like Neu, but in the end it is about winning games.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 24, 2022 9:09:15 GMT -6
All exactly right.
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Post by cardman on Nov 24, 2022 9:11:04 GMT -6
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Post by bsutony on Nov 24, 2022 9:14:10 GMT -6
I think you can still be effective as a pocket passer, but Paddock wasn't accurate enough, wasn't able to throw downfield, and made poor decisions throwing into quadruple coverage. As a pocket passer he clearly wasn't effective enough. I got the feeling that he decided who to throw it to before the play started and he always got rid of the ball early, whether or not the receiver was open.
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Post by david75bsu on Nov 24, 2022 9:21:13 GMT -6
Great article that clearly illustrates the point. Hopefully Neu or someone on staff reads this article and understands the need to change. |
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Post by frozenbaugh on Nov 24, 2022 9:23:20 GMT -6
Both obviously have their strengths. Keith Wenning had 44 yards rushing as a senior. I’d take Wenning all day and everyday as QB for my team.
We have never had a quarterback that can do both really well unless I’m mistaken. How about Talmadge Hill?. I just wanted to put that name out there to make some of you feel old.
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 24, 2022 10:04:28 GMT -6
Article has some comments about use of the wing back, too. Refers back to the day when a wing T was a common offensive set. Option FB was a common even dominant thing with the hey day of B8 FB. The T formation and wing T and all the ways you use a QB under center originally developed to give lots of options running and allowing a QB to also utilize the drop back pass. The pocket pass relied on using a back in pass protection, and from that we have gradually see the FB disappeared from offense.
That use of a wing back to run the ball has obviously returned to vogue.
With the shotgun now a standard the thing I have always thought is that running was the missing element.
We just have to look back further than most on this board can remember to the old single wing offense with a triple threat tailback getting the snap, a wing back, at that time 4 backs in the backfield. (I can remember a college team at Wabash College running that offense in the 60's with notable success, and I had a crusty old coach and actually played in a single wing offense in grade school FB in the 50's) Your TB was the best athlete, often run first.
The run was dominant in early days of college FB 100+ years ago, where everyone played that offense, but the forward pass came along in the days of Knute Rockne.
The read offense seems a direct descendant of that single RB offense if you add in some split receivers, and think pass dominance. It's looking to me like we're going back to the future with the difference being a marriage of single wing and spread formation. BSU is not there...
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Post by zonebuster on Nov 25, 2022 5:14:54 GMT -6
All season long I tended to give Coach the benefit of the doubt when it came to playing time. I figured Kelly just wasn’t ready to play at this level. As a former AAU and high school
hoops coach, the old saying the fans aren’t at practice every day and don’t see what the coaching staff sees.
However, after watching Kelly perform in the Miami game, it’s clear Kelly was, in fact, ready. It’s frustrating as having him take 12-15 snaps per game all season would’ve given our offense another look & dimension. I agree with others he should have been behind center on our 4th & inches at the end of the game.
Hopefully, Kelly decides to stay & we see him on the field taking his share of snaps during games in 2023!
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 25, 2022 8:01:57 GMT -6
Just a note:
In seven years, our NFL QB coach appears to be on the cusp of producing two NFL running backs and zero NFL quarterbacks.
Maybe a running QB is the unicorn that needs to be pursued?
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Post by universityjim on Nov 25, 2022 10:21:30 GMT -6
Just a note: In seven years, our NFL QB coach appears to be on the cusp of producing two NFL running backs and zero NFL quarterbacks. Maybe a running QB is the unicorn that needs to be pursued? Neu's NFL QB was Drew Brees. Who do you think did the coaching? I love Mike. He's a Cardinal. To be successful he needs to surround himself with quality assistants. He has not done that on the offensive side. He's not a good enough coach to do it without a lot of help. With Kevin Lynch as his OC he is cutting his own throat. |
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Post by comet on Nov 25, 2022 10:40:19 GMT -6
Just a note: In seven years, our NFL QB coach appears to be on the cusp of producing two NFL running backs and zero NFL quarterbacks. Maybe a running QB is the unicorn that needs to be pursued? Neu's NFL QB was Drew Brees. Who do you think did the coaching? I love Mike. He's a Cardinal. To be successful he needs to surround himself with quality assistants. He has not done that on the offensive side. He's not a good enough coach to do it without a lot of help. With Kevin Lynch as his OC he is cutting his own throat.
Agree.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 25, 2022 10:55:52 GMT -6
Just a note: In seven years, our NFL QB coach appears to be on the cusp of producing two NFL running backs and zero NFL quarterbacks. Maybe a running QB is the unicorn that needs to be pursued? Neu's NFL QB was Drew Brees. Who do you think did the coaching? I love Mike. He's a Cardinal. To be successful he needs to surround himself with quality assistants. He has not done that on the offensive side. He's not a good enough coach to do it without a lot of help. With Kevin Lynch as his OC he is cutting his own throat. Lembo is the example of how the primary job of the HC is to hire the right assistants. When he had his crew from Elon we were awesome. When he made bad replacement hires at OC and DC we collapsed. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 25, 2022 10:55:57 GMT -6
Neu's NFL QB was Drew Brees. Who do you think did the coaching? I love Mike. He's a Cardinal. To be successful he needs to surround himself with quality assistants. He has not done that on the offensive side. He's not a good enough coach to do it without a lot of help. With Kevin Lynch as his OC he is cutting his own throat. Agree.
Every FB coach depends on his staff. Quality staff and retaining them is one of the long time issues with most MAC FB programs. The attraction for a coach to join the staff is often the chance to move up with the coach to the next job. A few top programs have the budget to attract/retain better assistants, some coaches bring in a good staff (Lembo) from previous schools, Neu did not have either advantage. He has had some success but doesn't look like he is a rocket ship for anybody's career to latch on to.
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Post by bsu0 on Nov 25, 2022 11:38:02 GMT -6
Drew Brees needed an ''AttaBoy'' coach and my guess he received it with Neu as his coach. Brees throws a pass ,''Atta Boy Drew'' There are a chosen few who need no coaching.
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