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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Jan 5, 2023 7:19:28 GMT -6
I meant we have almost the same numbers so far as last year, except in record because we've played a weaker schedule. Whitford had two kids, right? Has one gained access to the internet and started posting? It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. |
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Post by zonebuster on Jan 5, 2023 7:31:00 GMT -6
Whitford had two kids, right? Has one gained access to the internet and started posting? It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. Your obvious bias bleeds through everyone of your posts. I hope at some point you can recognize & enjoy the improvement this year’s team is showing. It’s been fun so far. There will be a bad loss or two along the way, but I really love our direction!! |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Jan 5, 2023 7:43:52 GMT -6
It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. Your obvious bias bleeds through everyone of your posts. I hope at some point you can recognize & enjoy the improvement this year’s team is showing. It’s been fun so far. There will be a bad loss or two along the way, but I really love our direction!! The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 5, 2023 7:58:04 GMT -6
Your obvious bias bleeds through everyone of your posts. I hope at some point you can recognize & enjoy the improvement this year’s team is showing. It’s been fun so far. There will be a bad loss or two along the way, but I really love our direction!! The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. The only person we feel did not do his job effectively enough is Whitford. The staff did what they could. The staff as a whole does not get ripped, just James. There are people on here who also knew people on the staff and knew some of the inner workings of the program and where the dysfunction was. Guessing you're related to a former staff member. (That you live in S. Carolina is a hint) That's fine. We had some very loyal and excellent people as assistants. Don't take anything we say about Whitford personally; it's only about him, not anyone else on the staff. Some of us felt Grunk could have been a pretty good head coach...... |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 5, 2023 8:09:17 GMT -6
Your obvious bias bleeds through everyone of your posts. I hope at some point you can recognize & enjoy the improvement this year’s team is showing. It’s been fun so far. There will be a bad loss or two along the way, but I really love our direction!! The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. Coaching a Division 1 Basketball team is a zero-sum game. Trying hard is great and all, but results are what matters. Unfortunately, he had some personal issues that were a distraction to him, and it impacted the team's performance. Personally, I thought he was a good guy, I always had good interactions with him. But he's a much better assistant than a head coach. That's a better fit for his personality. |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Jan 5, 2023 8:10:54 GMT -6
The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. The only person we feel did not do his job effectively enough is Whitford. The staff did what they could. The staff as a whole does not get ripped, just James. There are people on here who also knew people on the staff and knew some of the inner workings of the program and where the dysfunction was. Guessing you're related to a former staff member. (That you live in S. Carolina is a hint) That's fine. We had some very loyal and excellent people as assistants. Don't take anything we say about Whitford personally; it's only about him, not anyone else on the staff. Some of us felt Grunk could have been a pretty good head coach...... I see what you're saying. I will always say that Whit did all that he could, he just might not have been the best coach ever. |
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Post by zonebuster on Jan 5, 2023 8:46:33 GMT -6
Your obvious bias bleeds through everyone of your posts. I hope at some point you can recognize & enjoy the improvement this year’s team is showing. It’s been fun so far. There will be a bad loss or two along the way, but I really love our direction!! The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. I believe every single poster on these message boards would’ve loved for the previous coaching staff to have been successful. Unfortunately, they were not. Nine years is more than enough time to build a winning program (and more time given to most D-I coaches). The overall losing record, the lack of wins in MAC tourney play and zero NCAA or NIT appearances screamed it was past time for a change. The previous staff may have worked hard, but they weren’t successful. Curious….since you know the coaches personally, have you spoken with Ben Botts, the lone holdover now on Lewis’ staff. I have to believe he is loving what is happening with the program this year! |
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Jan 5, 2023 19:38:00 GMT -6
The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. I believe every single poster on these message boards would’ve loved for the previous coaching staff to have been successful. Unfortunately, they were not. Nine years is more than enough time to build a winning program (and more time given to most D-I coaches). The overall losing record, the lack of wins in MAC tourney play and zero NCAA or NIT appearances screamed it was past time for a change. The previous staff may have worked hard, but they weren’t successful. Curious….since you know the coaches personally, have you spoken with Ben Botts, the lone holdover now on Lewis’ staff. I have to believe he is loving what is happening with the program this year! I think Ben is happy he was able to stay on. He was a little worried that he might be cleared out with the rest of the staff, but that obviously has passed. I think he's in a good place, although I don't want to speculate. It has been a while since I have spoken with him. |
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 5, 2023 21:42:06 GMT -6
Whitford had two kids, right? Has one gained access to the internet and started posting? It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. Funny, sort of cute, answer. I stuck with Whitford for the first 5 or 6 years. Kept hoping things would improve. Told myself he was a good guy. That most of his players were good citizens. Maybe not Jontrell Walker, but there are always exceptions to the rule. Almost all of his players graduated. I'm a bit of an introvert, so I could relate to his personality; although that's probably not the personally type for head coaching positions. But over the years, I got tired of the losing. I got tired of, when I met folks and told them I graduated from Ball State trying to get them to recognize by BSU by saying how we used to have a good basketball program back in the 1990's. Depending on that person's age, sometimes that would click, but most time it didn't. Then I would say I got a M.S. from Purdue, and they would always recognize Purdue, but still be clueless where Ball State was. I always came away wishing Ball State could be relevant in basketball again. It just got to be like the movie Groundhog Day. Every year a few wins especially early in the season, then a total collapse when things counted. A season win-loss record .500 or slightly less. I became convinced it wasn't going to change unless Whitford left and we tried someone else. I'm so glad, at least so far, we have Lewis. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 5, 2023 21:53:19 GMT -6
The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. Coaching a Division 1 Basketball team is a zero-sum game. Trying hard is great and all, but results are what matters. Unfortunately, he had some personal issues that were a distraction to him, and it impacted the team's performance. Personally, I thought he was a good guy, I always had good interactions with him. But he's a much better assistant than a head coach. That's a better fit for his personality. That’s life in general. “Yeah my wheel came off while I was driving 70 down the freeway but my mechanic was trying his best so no worries.” “Sure it’s a wrongful conviction due to ineffective assistance of counsel but my lawyer was trying his best so I’ll let him handle the appeal.” “The rest of my life will be miserable pain due to my doctor’s error, but he was trying his best so it’s all good.” Nope. I would have loved nothing more than for Whitford to have delivered. And I bear no personal ill will against him. If I met him I would be very friendly towards him. But he needed to not be our head basketball coach anymore. I also understand the urge to defend the guy that everyone is shitting on. Our board right now is definitely that girl who can’t stop talking about what a jerk her ex was. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 5, 2023 22:10:44 GMT -6
Whitford had two kids, right? Has one gained access to the internet and started posting? It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. I know exactly who you are and have for a long time. None of this hassanything to do with your relative. Whit is a good man no one will say he is not. Its just at the end of the day or decade he was not a good head coach. Whit can should and will probably return as an assistant somewhere and do a good job in that role. Your a smart kid but your still a kid you dont need to worry about how we felt about whit. You do need to know your relative was loved by nearly everyone. You seem to be taking all of this a bit personally and you shouldnt. Ive considered texting your family but Im not going too some things you gotta figure out on your own. As you know Coaching is a job and it can get messy. Your welcome here anytime but if your going to be here realize your never going to change peoples view of whit |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 6, 2023 9:03:10 GMT -6
It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. I know exactly who you are and have for a long time. None of this hassanything to do with your relative. Whit is a good man no one will say he is not. Its just at the end of the day or decade he was not a good head coach. Whit can should and will probably return as an assistant somewhere and do a good job in that role. Your a smart kid but your still a kid you dont need to worry about how we felt about whit. You do need to know your relative was loved by nearly everyone. You seem to be taking all of this a bit personally and you shouldnt. Ive considered texting your family but Im not going too some things you gotta figure out on your own. As you know Coaching is a job and it can get messy. Your welcome here anytime but if your going to be here realize your never going to change peoples view of whit Right on. |
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Post by CallingBS on Jan 6, 2023 10:28:06 GMT -6
It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. I know exactly who you are and have for a long time. None of this hassanything to do with your relative. Whit is a good man no one will say he is not. Its just at the end of the day or decade he was not a good head coach. Whit can should and will probably return as an assistant somewhere and do a good job in that role. Your a smart kid but your still a kid you dont need to worry about how we felt about whit. You do need to know your relative was loved by nearly everyone. You seem to be taking all of this a bit personally and you shouldnt. Ive considered texting your family but Im not going too some things you gotta figure out on your own. As you know Coaching is a job and it can get messy. Your welcome here anytime but if your going to be here realize your never going to change peoples view of whit Same! |
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Post by CallingBS on Jan 6, 2023 10:46:27 GMT -6
It's possible I'm related to someone. But not Whit. Or a player. I know exactly who you are and have for a long time. None of this hassanything to do with your relative. Whit is a good man no one will say he is not. Its just at the end of the day or decade he was not a good head coach. Whit can should and will probably return as an assistant somewhere and do a good job in that role. Your a smart kid but your still a kid you dont need to worry about how we felt about whit. You do need to know your relative was loved by nearly everyone. You seem to be taking all of this a bit personally and you shouldnt. Ive considered texting your family but Im not going too some things you gotta figure out on your own. As you know Coaching is a job and it can get messy. Your welcome here anytime but if your going to be here realize your never going to change peoples view of whit Your clues made it pretty obvious. I would second Calhoun's advice. Stay away from fan forums! I really liked and respected the rest of the staff - just not Whitford. He held the program and assistants back a lot. Check your PM's |
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Post by cardsfan606 on Jan 6, 2023 15:10:07 GMT -6
The only real reason I try to defend Whit and the previous coaching staff is because I've seen how hard they've worked in the past, and then I come on here and see all these people just absolutely ripping them and not giving them any breaks. They were doing their best, but nobody on here seems to care. And knowing all those coaches and players very personally, and seeing how this negative feedback affects them, that's hard for me to take, so I feel like I should try to defend them. Hopefully, someone on here can understand that. Probably not. The only person we feel did not do his job effectively enough is Whitford. The staff did what they could. The staff as a whole does not get ripped, just James. There are people on here who also knew people on the staff and knew some of the inner workings of the program and where the dysfunction was. Guessing you're related to a former staff member. (That you live in S. Carolina is a hint) That's fine. We had some very loyal and excellent people as assistants. Don't take anything we say about Whitford personally; it's only about him, not anyone else on the staff. Some of us felt Grunk could have been a pretty good head coach...... could not have said it any better myself |
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