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Post by sdacardinal on Jan 26, 2023 13:34:28 GMT -6
Coleman did lead with his example. It wasn't hero ball in this instance the others could not get out of the frozen shock they were in to allow themselves to be elevated. It is hero ball when everyone is playing there ass off and someone selfishly goes off on their own to shine the light on them. Chochran and Coleman in the past have done this. How could this team not be inspired by his effort and points made to get back in the game. The behind the back pass did not work but if it had I think Pearson would have scored.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2023 14:07:37 GMT -6
Yeah, not much reason to ding Coleman in this game.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 26, 2023 14:40:58 GMT -6
I think Coleman saw that Sparks was having a bad night, and nobody else was doing much better, so he tried to take it all on himself.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jan 26, 2023 14:48:42 GMT -6
Coleman did lead with his example. It wasn't hero ball in this instance the others could not get out of the frozen shock they were in to allow themselves to be elevated. It is hero ball when everyone is playing there ass off and someone selfishly goes off on their own to shine the light on them. Chochran and Coleman in the past have done this. How could this team not be inspired by his effort and points made to get back in the game. The behind the back pass did not work but if it had I think Pearson would have scored. There was one missed 3 pointer from Coleman late in the game that Lewis went nuts over. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 26, 2023 15:06:06 GMT -6
Coleman did lead with his example. It wasn't hero ball in this instance the others could not get out of the frozen shock they were in to allow themselves to be elevated. It is hero ball when everyone is playing there ass off and someone selfishly goes off on their own to shine the light on them. Chochran and Coleman in the past have done this. How could this team not be inspired by his effort and points made to get back in the game. The behind the back pass did not work but if it had I think Pearson would have scored. There was one missed 3 pointer from Coleman late in the game that Lewis went nuts over. I like that about Lewis.
The game a disaster and out of reach but he was coaching. He can't not care.
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Post by kdsnakebsu2 on Jan 26, 2023 20:23:28 GMT -6
There was one missed 3 pointer from Coleman late in the game that Lewis went nuts over. I like that about Lewis.
The game a disaster and out of reach but he was coaching. He can't not care.
I have it from someone that Lewis was just destroying his guys against Kent. I mean screaming, cursing them out. Old school coaching. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 26, 2023 20:42:31 GMT -6
if true its not a surprise thats what we all assume to be happening.
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Post by coastalcard on Jan 27, 2023 6:49:18 GMT -6
It's been 20+ years since we have seen that happen. That's why it might seem extraordinary to Cardinal fans.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2023 8:27:36 GMT -6
The better the team the more dividends in being an extreme asshole perfectionist.
This isn't tearing the team down, as much as it's about focus lost.
If there wasn't some backbone there it would not work.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 27, 2023 9:02:14 GMT -6
I think Coleman saw that Sparks was having a bad night, and nobody else was doing much better, so he tried to take it all on himself. This is accurate but not just Sparks. Jacobs and Sellers were also sub-par all game. Here's the issue I have. Coleman got us back into the game and at that point he has to have the recognition to get back to the game plan and not try to win it by himself. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 27, 2023 9:17:42 GMT -6
I think Coleman saw that Sparks was having a bad night, and nobody else was doing much better, so he tried to take it all on himself. This is accurate but not just Sparks. Jacobs and Sellers were also sub-par all game. Here's the issue I have. Coleman got us back into the game and at that point he has to have the recognition to get back to the game plan and not try to win it by himself. That's the crux of it. Great job getting us back into it, now work on getting everyone involved and up to your level of play. Don't go ham thinking you can just keep going alone. LEAD. Bring everyone with you. Coleman got us part way there but then didn't understand how to get us all the way back. That's what Lewis is trying to teach the entire team. Don't lose sight of how you win as a team by trying to win as an individual. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2023 9:21:31 GMT -6
I think Coleman saw that Sparks was having a bad night, and nobody else was doing much better, so he tried to take it all on himself. This is accurate but not just Sparks. Jacobs and Sellers were also sub-par all game. Here's the issue I have. Coleman got us back into the game and at that point he has to have the recognition to get back to the game plan and not try to win it by himself. The operative word is try to get back to the game plan. If he was not looking and trying Lewis would be on his ass about it not praising his BB IQ and talking in the huddle with him about what to do next. If he wasn't doing what they talked about, he'd be in the dog house too.
If cutters don't cut, if they are knocked off their cut or slow to get to the pass, and if shooters don't go aggressively to the basket or hit open shots when they get the ball, it's completely appropriate to weigh that.
Our best game is ball movement and that means it's not just Coleman or whoever is primary ball handler who has to make good passes.
If Coleman was making sharp passes and the recipients weren't ready, or weren't looking for it to something, the problem is not after all Coleman, and there's even a case for him not to make the extra pass.
Given the bonehead plays we saw from Coleman in the past, I get being hard on him, but it really looks to me like he is a different player. You apparently aren't seeing that, or maybe just can't erase those past flights of fancy from memory!
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2023 9:27:03 GMT -6
This is accurate but not just Sparks. Jacobs and Sellers were also sub-par all game. Here's the issue I have. Coleman got us back into the game and at that point he has to have the recognition to get back to the game plan and not try to win it by himself. That's the crux of it. Great job getting us back into it, now work on getting everyone involved and up to your level of play. Don't go ham thinking you can just keep going alone. LEAD. Bring everyone with you. Coleman got us part way there but then didn't understand how to get us all the way back. That's what Lewis is trying to teach the entire team. Don't lose sight of how you win as a team by trying to win as an individual. No doubt on the goal being team ball movement. My observation is that Coleman was doing his part on that, and Lewis and he were in communication or what he should do. Not perfect but very good.
I saw us claw back barely on the outside within reach, and not just by his being a cowboy. He was not taking shots as bad as others or missing chances of getting the ball moving to the best shot or finishing inside for foul shots. I just don't think it was in his power to "get us all the way back."
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 27, 2023 9:50:25 GMT -6
This is accurate but not just Sparks. Jacobs and Sellers were also sub-par all game. Here's the issue I have. Coleman got us back into the game and at that point he has to have the recognition to get back to the game plan and not try to win it by himself. The operative word is try to get back to the game plan. If he was not looking and trying Lewis would be on his ass about it not praising his BB IQ and talking in the huddle with him about what to do next. If he wasn't doing what they talked about, he'd be in the dog house too.
If cutters don't cut, if they are knocked off their cut or slow to get to the pass, and if shooters don't go aggressively to the basket or hit open shots when they get the ball, it's completely appropriate to weigh that.
Our best game is ball movement and that means it's not just Coleman or whoever is primary ball handler who has to make good passes.
If Coleman was making sharp passes and the recipients weren't ready, or weren't looking for it to something, the problem is not after all Coleman, and there's even a case for him not to make the extra pass.
Given the bonehead plays we saw from Coleman in the past, I get being hard on him, but it really looks to me like he is a different player. You apparently aren't seeing that, or maybe just can't erase those past flights of fancy from memory!
Yeah, I didn't put TRY in my comments where you did. I said he TRIED to win it by himself and that's EXACTLY what he did. Lewis was so pissed at him at the end of the game that he screamed at him and yanked him out for chucking another three. I shouldn't be surprised that the HOF apologist of the board wants to spin this into a Coleman victory lap. |
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Post by sdacardinal on Jan 27, 2023 10:00:20 GMT -6
Yes Coleman got us back within striking distance but the team had already checked out or rather never checked in. You can only do so much in leading. The rest of the team was not at the same level as Coleman in busting their ass. It is hard to pull dead people along with you and that is what Sparks, Sellers and Jacobs were in this game. Kent had ripped our soul out and it was still wondering around against Buffalo. Maybe it will get back into our basketball body on the long trip to DeKalb. The thing I like about Coleman is he is not shy about telling Kent or Buffalo to go fuck themselves.
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