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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2023 10:36:24 GMT -6
Given the bonehead plays we saw from Coleman in the past, I get being hard on him, but it really looks to me like he is a different player. You apparently aren't seeing that, or maybe just can't erase those past flights of fancy from memory! Yeah, I didn't put TRY in my comments where you did. I said he TRIED to win it by himself and that's EXACTLY what he did. Lewis was so pissed at him at the end of the game that he screamed at him and yanked him out for chucking another three. I shouldn't be surprised that the HOF apologist of the board wants to spin this into a Coleman victory lap. I think he tried to do what he and Lewis had talked about and, I agree, he did in fact take a bad shot. That he was yelled at for it is good.
That is very poor evidence though that he abandoned the game plan, and that as you say he "TRIED to win it by himself." It is only an error on that possession, and credit to Lewis to make his point about it.
I am not making it a Coleman victory lap. Just responding to defend him from a criticism I think is not warranted. How would you assess his relative "blame" for this debacle considering his minutes played and stat line.
Hey, call me names if you will, I sure am not going to go as far as you in painting a picture that it was the serious flaw with Coleman that cost us the game, or even that it contributed in any serious way.
If on a single or perhaps a very few possessions he didn't pass to one of the others whose head was hanging and not nearly as close as he in playing the game plan coach wanted, he still played a damned good game and got us as close as we could probably be.
He would not have been mentioned in the presser after if Lewis thought he did not deserve it.
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Post by comet on Jan 27, 2023 11:19:38 GMT -6
I agree with the positives that are being said about Coleman and his bringing us back into this game, but his turnovers were a big part of the reason we were getting hammered, too.
Coleman had 3 turnovers within the first 3-1/2 minutes of the game.
He has been soooo good about not turning it over, of late, and then he was a big part of the poor start and early blowout.
Not all his fault, of course, but when you start with 5 turnovers in your first 6 possession's, you might expect to be getting smoked at that point.
Appreciated, too, how Lewis doesn't hesitate to take that quick timeout to try to stop the bleeding.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 27, 2023 16:08:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I didn't put TRY in my comments where you did. I said he TRIED to win it by himself and that's EXACTLY what he did. Lewis was so pissed at him at the end of the game that he screamed at him and yanked him out for chucking another three. I shouldn't be surprised that the HOF apologist of the board wants to spin this into a Coleman victory lap. I think he tried to do what he and Lewis had talked about and, I agree, he did in fact take a bad shot. That he was yelled at for it is good.
That is very poor evidence though that he abandoned the game plan, and that as you say he "TRIED to win it by himself." It is only an error on that possession, and credit to Lewis to make his point about it.
I am not making it a Coleman victory lap. Just responding to defend him from a criticism I think is not warranted. How would you assess his relative "blame" for this debacle considering his minutes played and stat line.
Hey, call me names if you will, I sure am not going to go as far as you in painting a picture that it was the serious flaw with Coleman that cost us the game, or even that it contributed in any serious way.
If on a single or perhaps a very few possessions he didn't pass to one of the others whose head was hanging and not nearly as close as he in playing the game plan coach wanted, he still played a damned good game and got us as close as we could probably be.
He would not have been mentioned in the presser after if Lewis thought he did not deserve it.
I acknowledged in this same thread the Jekyll & Hyde nature that is Coleman. He was not solely responsible for us losing and on the contrary was instrumental in us getting it back under 10 but his early fumbling of the ball and his late game decisions that let Buffalo push it back to 26 were not good. I've watched him and us play enough to discern the difference between good and bad Boogie and once we got the momentum and the crowd back in the game he had the ball in his hands 70% of the time and our guys started standing around. Again, he and we are at our best when Jacobs, Sellers & Sparks are all involved and we play inside out. Him dribbling between his legs five times and then driving to the basket or chucking a three after burning 20 seconds of clock is shitty offense no matter how you want to spin it. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 27, 2023 18:10:32 GMT -6
I agree what our good offense looks like. That was not what brought us back.
Why it didn't suddenly start working at that point where we got close, it wasn't one guys fault or responsibility.
What percentage you really think is Coleman's?
I don't see him more than others responsible like he's the Svengali. Gives him too much credit and too much blame.
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Post by rusty on Jan 28, 2023 19:54:29 GMT -6
One question: why so many down on Boogie? The kid is flat out good and leads. I personally like his play and leadership and his return has made a huge difference on the team. Go Cards!!
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 28, 2023 20:12:11 GMT -6
One question: why so many down on Boogie? The kid is flat out good and leads. I personally like his play and leadership and his return has made a huge difference on the team. Go Cards!! Do you have a comprehension problem? What do you not understand about Jekyll & Hyde? Without him we may not even be a 500 team but he has lapses against the better teams in the conference that we cannot afford. Anyone with a brain who has watched our games including the coaches understand this. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 28, 2023 20:32:43 GMT -6
Coleman isn't perfect. Damn.
And nobody else on our team had any lapses against the good team that pounded us. Or the less good team that played very well while we were in a funk.
If he was perfect we'd surely have been close or won??
I don't think so.
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Post by realitycheck on Jan 29, 2023 9:26:39 GMT -6
Coleman isn't perfect. Damn. And nobody else on our team had any lapses against the good team that pounded us. Or the less good team that played very well while we were in a funk. If he was perfect we'd surely have been close or won?? I don't think so. Since you also have a comprehension problem, here’s a verbatim quote from this mornings Star Press article.
The guard tandem of redshirt junior Jarron Coleman and senior Demarius Jacobs set the tone, with "Boogie" acting as the floor general rather than a gunner, and "DJ" looking for his shot instead of playing passive. They combined for 36 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists, four steals and just four turnovers, displaying as good of chemistry as they have this year.Imagine Coleman is the QB of this team (which he is). Like it or not, the ball is in his hands and he has to understand when and what decisions to make for us to win which includes taking care of the basketball, distributing and scoring. When he plays like he did yesterday we are a contender. When he tries to take over or consumes the dribble we stand around and our offense stagnates. To be clear, we have very little chance of competing for a title without him but we are best when he orchestrates not tries to play every instrument in the band. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 29, 2023 10:29:08 GMT -6
Totally agree with last paragraph in very general terms, reality.
In neither of the two games where I disagree with you do I think the general rule should apply.
The rest of the team had head up ass, I do not think they were going to suddenly turn it around.
So I can't blame Coleman very much be at all if he took that into account.
Plus except when Lewis yanked him, I think the coach agreed. And this is not Whitford who always believed players would turn it around if he gave them the chance.
Plus I think Coleman was looking for others,they were just not ready or not doing anything most the time.
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