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Post by david75bsu on Aug 5, 2023 6:05:01 GMT -6
Earthquake! BIG 10 to 18 members. Big 12, which was almost dead to 16 members. Lots of other talks. Should the MAC open the door to Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee? Maybe Army & Navy? I can’t see us staying at twelve. The WAC will probably add Oregon State and Washington State, or maybe the WAC becomes the PAC 12 and picks up the title of “Conference of Champions.” There will be more change and will we be a part of it?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 5, 2023 6:25:49 GMT -6
I’ve never understood all the expansion talk on the MAC board. Any additional schools in the conference are just further impediments to us becoming conference champs. It’s not like this is a money making endeavor where even the losers make money (e.g. IU football). Adding schools makes sense if you’re a super league and everyone wants to watch your games. Just as few people would tune in to BSU-MTSU as tune in to BSU-EMU.
I vote for reduction instead of expansion. Let’s boot Toledo, NIU, Kent, and Akron. Then we might actually win the conference sometime. In fact, except for us, winning the conference in football or basketball should be an automatic expulsion. I dont want EMU to start getting ambitious.
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Post by villagepub on Aug 5, 2023 6:59:44 GMT -6
Earthquake! BIG 10 to 18 members. Big 12, which was almost dead to 16 members. Lots of other talks. Should the MAC open the door to Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee? Maybe Army & Navy? I can’t see us staying at twelve. The WAC will probably add Oregon State and Washington State, or maybe the WAC becomes the PAC 12 and picks up the title of “Conference of Champions.” There will be more change and will we be a part of it? Not sure why Army, Navy, WKU, MTSU or any other school would be interested in the MAC. Unless they are moving up from FCS, what's the gain? And is there a gain based on the era of Super DI FBS conferences? Oregon State or Washington State would join Mountain West before they enter the WAC. Better scenario is to have top tier Mountain West backfill the PAC12 openings. |
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Post by villagepub on Aug 5, 2023 7:02:11 GMT -6
I’ve never understood all the expansion talk on the MAC board. Any additional schools in the conference are just further impediments to us becoming conference champs. It’s not like this is a money making endeavor where even the losers make money (e.g. IU football). Adding schools makes sense if you’re a super league and everyone wants to watch your games. Just as few people would tune in to BSU-MTSU as tune in to BSU-EMU. I vote for reduction instead of expansion. Let’s boot Toledo, NIU, Kent, and Akron. Then we might actually win the conference sometime. In fact, except for us, winning the conference in football or basketball should be an automatic expulsion. I dont want EMU to start getting ambitious. So, eliminating competition is the way BSU can win championships. That's the only way to bring BSU to dominance in the MAC? |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 5, 2023 9:21:27 GMT -6
I’ve never understood all the expansion talk on the MAC board. Any additional schools in the conference are just further impediments to us becoming conference champs. It’s not like this is a money making endeavor where even the losers make money (e.g. IU football). Adding schools makes sense if you’re a super league and everyone wants to watch your games. Just as few people would tune in to BSU-MTSU as tune in to BSU-EMU. I vote for reduction instead of expansion. Let’s boot Toledo, NIU, Kent, and Akron. Then we might actually win the conference sometime. In fact, except for us, winning the conference in football or basketball should be an automatic expulsion. I dont want EMU to start getting ambitious. So, eliminating competition is the way BSU can win championships. That's the only way to bring BSU to dominance in the MAC? Fielding better teams certainly doesnt seem to be an option. I’m just thinking outside the box. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2023 10:25:44 GMT -6
For the MAC which seems determined to be the weakest FBS conference, that is not outside the box.
There really is no answer until the P5 simply refuse to play MAC and other G5 teams and force realignment into a new mid major classification scheme.
There is no big TV money to support MAC media and be competitive. Gate revenue is a dead issue.
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Post by coastalcard on Aug 5, 2023 12:44:10 GMT -6
Other schools and ADs know the strengths and weaknesses of the other FBS conferences. Heck, all they really have to do is follow the grandstand shots during the midweek MACtion football fiascos.
I would question an existing FBS school interest in the MAC.
PACMAC does, however, have some interesting trademarking potential.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2023 16:01:40 GMT -6
Other schools and ADs know the strengths and weaknesses of the other FBS conferences. Heck, all they really have to do is follow the grandstand shots during the midweek MACtion football fiascos. I would question an existing FBS school interest in the MAC. PACMAC does, however, have some interesting trademarking potential. I agree nobody, NOBODY, is likely to want to be in the MAC. There is zero potential for revenue there. Our best schools maybe could limp along, or leave and survive, barely at a slightly higher level. Although I don't see why any really strong conference would want them. A real alignment would either create a mid tier FB bracket which consisted of G5 schools and higher budget FCS schools, OR, some G5 forming into pseudo FBS conference (maybe a denatured ACC or P10) and others moving down to FCS. I don't see any set of G5 schools getting the media money to compete with the new power conferences. The PAC 10 is now 4 schools with a feeble TV conference and the ACC in danger of losing their best FB schools. We may be talking about a P3 tier and see the best G5 schools merge with remnants of those possibly soon to be lesser conferences. Whatever, the MAC does not belong... |
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 8, 2023 5:21:18 GMT -6
I predict that we will see the NCAA expanding the number of football games to fourteen and allowing conferences with Sixteen or more teams to have a four game conference playoff.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 11, 2023 8:30:05 GMT -6
Could there be some potential that realignment could save the MAC from its own stupidity? And end the $10 million per year, per school, money draining fantasy that the MAC is a real D1 conference?
That's probably too much to hope for.
Just like the talk for years now that the big time schools were going to kick the MAC out of D1 because of the pathetic attendance figures. I never believed this would happen because it was not harming the big time schools. Didn't cost them a dime. The big time schools were not paying the enormous MAC football deficits - MAC students were. Why should the big time schools trouble themselves to save MAC students from their own administrations?
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Post by villagepub on Aug 14, 2023 8:13:02 GMT -6
Could there be some potential that realignment could save the MAC from its own stupidity? And end the $10 million per year, per school, money draining fantasy that the MAC is a real D1 conference? That's probably too much to hope for. Just like the talk for years now that the big time schools were going to kick the MAC out of D1 because of the pathetic attendance figures. I never believed this would happen because it was not harming the big time schools. Didn't cost them a dime. The big time schools were not paying the enormous MAC football deficits - MAC students were. Why should the big time schools trouble themselves to save MAC students from their own administrations? The needle's stuck. Somebody fix the turntable. |
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 14, 2023 9:24:06 GMT -6
Just like the talk for years now that the big time schools were going to kick the MAC out of D1 because of the pathetic attendance figures. I never believed this would happen because it was not harming the big time schools. Didn't cost them a dime. The big time schools were not paying the enormous MAC football deficits - MAC students were. Why should the big time schools trouble themselves to save MAC students from their own administrations? The P5 or maybe now P4 schools have an incentive to simply ignore NCAA and it's rules and alignments altogether. In football, it's a no brain decision, they could have their own rules for any number of things.
In other sports they find the NCAA and it's organization to be of value. Having conference affiliation and NCAA governance similar to small conferences is very functional outside FB and maybe BB.
But the money is a problem there, too. The revenue from FB is becoming a huge factor in supporting the other sports and any school with big time FB can fund those sports at a level other schools can't match.
One of the interesting aspects of the P12 imploding is that Stanford which has a truly dominant athletic program in the "minor sports" is suddenly faced with an athletic budget which will not support the number of sports they have at the level they have maintained.
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