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Post by DickHunsaker on Sept 19, 2023 7:57:05 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 19, 2023 8:42:48 GMT -6
Gee, mired in 3rd place, not a lot of chance to move up.
Fire the coach?
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Post by dcat on Sept 19, 2023 10:14:43 GMT -6
The year after 2018, someone at Ball State didn't do their job and failed to respond to this ranking survey. SO BSU fell way back the next year. We're still recovering (it'll take years if we are even able to recover). I believe part of the ranking process looks at previous years ranking.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Sept 19, 2023 10:57:19 GMT -6
The year after 2018, someone at Ball State didn't do their job and failed to respond to this ranking survey. SO BSU fell way back the next year. We're still recovering (it'll take years if we are even able to recover). I believe part of the ranking process looks at previous years ranking. Yes, I think you are right on them looking at the previous years. I recall them failing to respond because of an expired forwarding address or something? Just absolute negligence on the administration's part. Made us lose our top 100 public university status too. I think we are 116 now. |
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Post by dcat on Sept 19, 2023 11:37:42 GMT -6
Agree. I know "personnel changes" happened because of that incident. We had caught up to OU as we tied them that year. That's where we should be. Pretty pathetic on BSU's part.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 19, 2023 12:51:58 GMT -6
Ohio has had funding cuts last couple of years. All schools. Hurting Miami I know first hand
BSU is not exactly flush, has had RIF with faculty buyout. Less staff now, more contract faculty. Significant program cuts.
Push for lower admission requirements with reduced enrollment. IU, PU fighting us harder for better students.
No surprise we and other MAC schools lower rated.
Less fat to cut as revenue reduced.
BSU doing well in face of big issues, but it's going is hard
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Post by DickHunsaker on Sept 19, 2023 13:05:20 GMT -6
Ohio has had funding cuts last couple of years. All schools. Hurting Miami I know first hand BSU is not exactly flush, has had RIF with faculty buyout. Less staff now, more contract faculty. Significant program cuts. Push for lower admission requirements with reduced enrollment. IU, PU fighting us harder for better students. No surprise we and other MAC schools lower rated. Less fat to cut as revenue reduced. BSU doing well in face of big issues, but it's going is hard Yeah the Ohio schools are struggling much more than us. Akron for example is barely scraping by and has been for a number of years. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 19, 2023 14:35:47 GMT -6
Ohio has had funding cuts last couple of years. All schools. Hurting Miami I know first hand BSU is not exactly flush, has had RIF with faculty buyout. Less staff now, more contract faculty. Significant program cuts. Push for lower admission requirements with reduced enrollment. IU, PU fighting us harder for better students. No surprise we and other MAC schools lower rated. Less fat to cut as revenue reduced. BSU doing well in face of big issues, but it's going is hard And yet full time staff is getting a $1000 bonus, and part time staff is getting a $500 bonus. Approved by the BOT on Friday. |
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 19, 2023 14:51:07 GMT -6
Ohio has had funding cuts last couple of years. All schools. Hurting Miami I know first hand BSU is not exactly flush, has had RIF with faculty buyout. Less staff now, more contract faculty. Significant program cuts. Push for lower admission requirements with reduced enrollment. IU, PU fighting us harder for better students. No surprise we and other MAC schools lower rated. Less fat to cut as revenue reduced. BSU doing well in face of big issues, but it's going is hard And yet full time staff is getting a $1000 bonus, and part time staff is getting a $500 bonus. Approved by the BOT on Friday. I am all for staff salary increase. But compared to other MAC schools, salaries are not 3rd ranked. We are doing some things very well but budget is a problem, and specifically, I do not expect the new model of lower quality students with fewer tenure faculty and more contract faculty teaching heavier loads at lower pay, to be a combination that produces better student outcomes. Or to support high rankings nationally for our programs.
This is top down from the legislature which is focused on graduation rate not quality of the graduates. Result is grade inflation, fewer hours in programs, and students pushed through to graduation, sometimes in the wrong major since all the incentives are to avoid taking extra hours to find a new major.
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Post by coastalcard on Sept 19, 2023 17:20:56 GMT -6
So, we no longer FLY? Assuming I should no longer wear my Harvard of Muncie sweat shirt.
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Post by dcat on Sept 19, 2023 18:50:31 GMT -6
Ohio has had funding cuts last couple of years. All schools. Hurting Miami I know first hand BSU is not exactly flush, has had RIF with faculty buyout. Less staff now, more contract faculty. Significant program cuts. Push for lower admission requirements with reduced enrollment. IU, PU fighting us harder for better students. No surprise we and other MAC schools lower rated. Less fat to cut as revenue reduced. BSU doing well in face of big issues, but it's going is hard Yeah the Ohio schools are struggling much more than us. Akron for example is barely scraping by and has been for a number of years. And yet 2 Ohio schools are ranked ahead of us. How can we at least catch Ohio? |
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Post by villagepub on Sept 19, 2023 21:07:24 GMT -6
The year after 2018, someone at Ball State didn't do their job and failed to respond to this ranking survey. SO BSU fell way back the next year. We're still recovering (it'll take years if we are even able to recover). I believe part of the ranking process looks at previous years ranking. Correct. Up until 2019, BSU was usually around the 170s in a tie with Louisville and Texas Tech. Missing that report really hurt. Ohio was much higher than the 170s themselves. Wonder what caused them to drop so much. Miami usually was listed just inside the Top 100. |
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 20, 2023 6:57:27 GMT -6
The year after 2018, someone at Ball State didn't do their job and failed to respond to this ranking survey. SO BSU fell way back the next year. We're still recovering (it'll take years if we are even able to recover). I believe part of the ranking process looks at previous years ranking. There's a lot more to that story than just failing to submit the report...extremely egregious behavior by BSU representatives towards US News people as well. |
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Post by dcat on Sept 20, 2023 10:46:06 GMT -6
The year after 2018, someone at Ball State didn't do their job and failed to respond to this ranking survey. SO BSU fell way back the next year. We're still recovering (it'll take years if we are even able to recover). I believe part of the ranking process looks at previous years ranking. There's a lot more to that story than just failing to submit the report...extremely egregious behavior by BSU representatives towards US News people as well. Well, that's disturbing info. Care to elaborate without naming names or being too specific? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Sept 20, 2023 11:59:16 GMT -6
The year after 2018, someone at Ball State didn't do their job and failed to respond to this ranking survey. SO BSU fell way back the next year. We're still recovering (it'll take years if we are even able to recover). I believe part of the ranking process looks at previous years ranking. There's a lot more to that story than just failing to submit the report...extremely egregious behavior by BSU representatives towards US News people as well. I find it hard to believe... I mean, IMPOSSIBLE, really... that journalists would purposefully rank a deserving school lower than it should, just because some BSU representatives behaved like jackwagons. These lists are like the "Who's who..." books they used to sell. They'll put you in it if you buy the book so you can see your name in it, and feel like you've accomplished something. Much like when Navin Johnson saw his name in the phone book for the first time. |
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