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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 23, 2023 8:16:58 GMT -6
Mallers career statsWell I hope that's not a good comp. Mallers without the 3's would be a very unproductive player indeed.
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Post by CallingBS on Nov 23, 2023 23:28:35 GMT -6
Mallers never did anything for me. I'd like to think Jones has a much higher ceiling.
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Post by realitycheck on Nov 24, 2023 7:36:15 GMT -6
Mallers never did anything for me. I'd like to think Jones has a much higher ceiling. If he does, he will be off to a P5 program by end of next year. Reality bites. Not me, of course. 😉 |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 24, 2023 7:55:26 GMT -6
Mallers never did anything for me. I'd like to think Jones has a much higher ceiling. If he does, he will be off to a P5 program by end of next year. Reality bites. Not me, of course. 😉 Exactly right. It is now utterly impossible for a MAC coach to recruit acquire and retain the sort of quality players you need to win a championship. For example look at the group below. Because of the portal and NIL, no MAC coach can hope to have players like this on their roster. There is nothing Lewis can do about this. 2023-24 MAC Men’s Basketball Preseason All-MAC Teams
First Team
Ali Ali, Guard, Akron, Sr. Enrique Freeman, Forward, Akron, Sr. Chris Payton, Forward, Kent State, Grad. Jaylin Hunter, Guard, Ohio, Sr. Dante Maddox Jr., Guard, Toledo, Jr. Second Team
Tyson Acuff, Guard, Eastern Michigan, Jr. Jalen Sullinger, Guard, Kent State, Jr. Anderson Mirambeaux, Center, Miami, Sr. David Coit, Guard, Northern Illinois, Jr. AJ Brown, Guard, Ohio, So. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 24, 2023 8:03:30 GMT -6
Mallers never did anything for me. I'd like to think Jones has a much higher ceiling. If he does, he will be off to a P5 program by end of next year. Mallers a pretty solid starter for 4 years. Smart kid. Could shoot. Jones a better prospect, already starting. High end who knows? Could be very good starter, 4 year player. That'd be great. Transfer? Maybe. He'd have to become a very good shooter. So far, no Dan Majerle... |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 24, 2023 8:14:03 GMT -6
If he does, he will be off to a P5 program by end of next year. Reality bites. Not me, of course. 😉 Exactly right. It is now utterly impossible for a MAC coach to recruit acquire and retain the sort of quality players you need to win a championship. For example look at the group below. Because of the portal and NIL, no MAC coach can hope to have players like this on their roster. There is nothing Lewis can do about this... It does mean odds are you don't win the MAC with a Bonzi Wells or TSmith though. They'd be gone. In that group how many back next year? And of that group of good, not great, players you name there are 4 teams maybe with a chance. All with a lot of second tier talent surrounding a much less bright star than we've seen in the past that have the best chance. And. You don't keep really good players 4 years. So, somebody does win. That's true. Can you sneak a roster in for a year good enough to win an NCAA game or two? More like striking gold with a transfer and finding a gem who breaks out the same year. That's likely the new MAC era. Don't pretend it's all the same. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 24, 2023 9:11:42 GMT -6
If he does, he will be off to a P5 program by end of next year. Reality bites. Not me, of course. 😉 Exactly right. It is now utterly impossible for a MAC coach to recruit acquire and retain the sort of quality players you need to win a championship. For example look at the group below. Because of the portal and NIL, no MAC coach can hope to have players like this on their roster. There is nothing Lewis can do about this. 2023-24 MAC Men’s Basketball Preseason All-MAC Teams
First Team
Ali Ali, Guard, Akron, Sr. Enrique Freeman, Forward, Akron, Sr. Chris Payton, Forward, Kent State, Grad. Jaylin Hunter, Guard, Ohio, Sr. Dante Maddox Jr., Guard, Toledo, Jr. Second Team
Tyson Acuff, Guard, Eastern Michigan, Jr. Jalen Sullinger, Guard, Kent State, Jr. Anderson Mirambeaux, Center, Miami, Sr. David Coit, Guard, Northern Illinois, Jr. AJ Brown, Guard, Ohio, So. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 24, 2023 9:32:33 GMT -6
Exactly right. It is now utterly impossible for a MAC coach to recruit acquire and retain the sort of quality players you need to win a championship. For example look at the group below. Because of the portal and NIL, no MAC coach can hope to have players like this on their roster. There is nothing Lewis can do about this... It does mean odds are you don't win the MAC with a Bonzi Wells or TSmith though. They'd be gone. In that group how many back next year? And of that group of good, not great, players you name there are 4 teams maybe with a chance. All with a lot of second tier talent surrounding a much less bright star than we've seen in the past that have the best chance. And. You don't keep really good players 4 years. So, somebody does win. That's true. Can you sneak a roster in for a year good enough to win an NCAA game or two? More like striking gold with a transfer and finding a gem who breaks out the same year. That's likely the new MAC era. Don't pretend it's all the same. The idea that people here are unrealistically asking for another Bonzi and/or wins in the NCAA tourney is an idiotic and dishonest straw man of yours. But some of us will continue to ask why the BSU coach can't deal with the MAC program disadvantages as well as other MAC coaches do for the last 23 years and counting. The only one pretending here is you. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 24, 2023 10:06:24 GMT -6
It does mean odds are you don't win the MAC with a Bonzi Wells or TSmith though. They'd be gone. In that group how many back next year? And of that group of good, not great, players you name there are 4 teams maybe with a chance. All with a lot of second tier talent surrounding a much less bright star than we've seen in the past that have the best chance. And. You don't keep really good players 4 years. So, somebody does win. That's true. Can you sneak a roster in for a year good enough to win an NCAA game or two? More like striking gold with a transfer and finding a gem who breaks out the same year. That's likely the new MAC era. Don't pretend it's all the same. But some of us will continue to ask why the BSU coach can't deal with the MAC program disadvantages as well as other MAC coaches do for the last 23 years and counting. The only one pretending here is you. I think we all want to see BSU contend in the MAC. You seem to be saying "other MAC coaches" have done better than ours for 23 years. OK, we have not been close to previous success. But in fact it is not all other programs that have had such a great record. There have been several programs that separated from the rest.
That 3 or 4 of those East programs have had consistently greater success has a lot of history. Our own disastrous at times history has had multiple issues that cause it. But it sure does look like there is a difference between a top tier of MAC programs and the rest. Recently we have been decidedly "mediocre" or average in the MAC with those 3 or 4 consistently better. So the question is more whether we can get into that group.
Good question whether we can overcome the other disadvantages independent of MAC membership and being a small budget athletic program. But the MAC disadvantage component really does mean the ceiling for absolute quality of a BSU team is lower. Top players rarely will find a low budget program in a middling conference very attractive, and we will consistently be unable to keep our best players.
So there are multiple factors today that are different than all that 23 year history.
Where I think you are off base is to focus on this year. We had makings of a pretty good team coming back last year. Add some depth and a good transfer perhaps, we'd be very happy this year. NO other MAC team lost as much. So is it really unreasonable we are in a rebuild? Is it really an indictment of this coach? Is it reasonable to expect us to be contenders THIS year? This is not the year for lamentations that things are somehow the same as the last 23 years.
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Post by lmills72 on Nov 24, 2023 10:35:22 GMT -6
Nobody ever won much with a All-Anything Preseason Roster, but you gotta put somebody on those lists, right?
The only player on those lists who should actually put any fear into anyone is Freeman, maybe Ali.
For the most part, the rest either weren't in the league last year or weren't even good enough to to make honorable mention.
The vast majority of the league's better players either graduated or were not retained by their teams.
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 24, 2023 11:39:19 GMT -6
The long term situation is that, not only have we not won a championship in 23 years, we haven't even contended once during that near quarter century. This is a pathetic combined effort by the coaches and the administration, and is deserving of scorn and disgust which I will continue to provide.
Likewise the current situation is not looking favorable. In 18 months Lewis has lowered the quality of the roster from what he inherited from the previous coach, who himself was a weak recruiter incapable of constructing a MAC championship roster. Another situation deserving of scorn.
It's amusing that last year the excuse-maker's narrative last season was that the roster left by Whitford was too weak to expect contention. Now it seems the story is that the roster was TOO GOOD and it could not be expected to maintain such a good roster, and so it is understandable the roster is weaker. It's just failure, failure, failure, excuse, excuse, excuse around here every year. Wonder which other MAC coach is going to overcome the challenges that kicked the BSU coach's ass THIS year.
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Post by sdacardinal on Nov 24, 2023 12:33:08 GMT -6
I am not sure this year's team that far down on talent. Lewis is patiently bringing this talent to the surface. However there is so much to do to get the team to fulfill its potential. I don't think any of our players at the end of the year will be in a position to transfer. Some time maybe Feb we will start to see this positive development pay off. The two guys that just signed for 2024 look like the real deal. Kent, which I can't stand, continues to be amazing with their raw power and athleticism also Akron, and Toledo. Some of the MAC teams that I have seen such as Central Mich. just are not very good. In Feb we will be much better than we are now but not good enough to beat the top three.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 24, 2023 23:29:05 GMT -6
Ali ali did not get his waiver..
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