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Post by 00hmh on Dec 8, 2023 9:23:49 GMT -6
THIS YEAR the MAC lost over 100 million dollars to achieve those wins. THIS YEAR go back and list those signature wins. Which ones meant anything? The Ohio over Iowa State game is the best win for the conference this year...That is a great win. BG over GT, Miami over Cincy and NIU over BC were also P5 wins. They didn't mean anything to me...But I'm sure they were important to those teams. Sure. No question there are plusses. And, bowl wins are not completely without value. But getting to bowls with 5 FBS wins in conference and an FCS win does reduce what those bowl wins mean in the least of the bowl games where we almost always play. Still, for the sake of argument let's say all those wins are worth to the team winning those games losing 10 mil. Maybe let's not, but of 12 MAC teams, how many got a 10 million dollar wins? How many got bupkus? Does it make sense for us to face an increasing price tag for those wins? Probably fewer of them... Some will argue losing a few million less isn't worth it to keep FB, just drop it. I think we can do better than that saving a few mil, but I sure don't like looking at the likely future where we're losing a few million more with even less television exposure, fewer of P4 money games and less to brag about. We're in one of the weakest conferences in FBS with a poor record compared to other FBS teams, with the weakest financial prospects to pay the dues to be in the club. Negative to look at that, sure? But can we ignore it? |
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Post by prestonp on Dec 8, 2023 17:21:44 GMT -6
The whole bowl situation has become a joke It has been a joke for decades. |
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Post by CallingBS on Dec 8, 2023 19:44:42 GMT -6
The whole bowl situation has become a joke It has been a joke for decades. Correct you are, sir |
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Post by coastalcard on Dec 8, 2023 21:41:29 GMT -6
James Madison requested in November to be exempted from the bowl waiting period due to stepping up to FBS. NCAA told them no.
Lo and behold……they are in a bowl.
NCAA can’t get out of their own way.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Dec 8, 2023 21:43:29 GMT -6
Bowls are for the communities and charity.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Dec 9, 2023 7:15:08 GMT -6
James Madison requested in November to be exempted from the bowl waiting period due to stepping up to FBS. NCAA told them no. Lo and behold……they are in a bowl. NCAA can’t get out of their own way. Is there a reasoning behind the waiting period? JMU is 11-1. It would be insane if 5-win Minnesota made it but 11 win JMU didnt. Unless there is some really good reason to have a waiting period that I’m missing. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 9, 2023 7:32:35 GMT -6
Bowls are for the communities and charity. Bowls from the team view are for alumni,advertising,recruiting. The local communities get exposure. Volunteers and local civic groups hosting, along with TV, and the teams playing mostly cover expenses. The big bowls end up being a good deal for community and charity. Teams in most bowls lose money, argue it's worth it in good will. |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Dec 9, 2023 8:50:30 GMT -6
Bowls are for the communities and charity. Bowls from the team view are for alumni,advertising,recruiting. The local communities get exposure. Volunteers and local civic groups hosting, along with TV, and the teams playing mostly cover expenses. The big bowls end up being a good deal for community and charity. Teams in most bowls lose money, argue it's worth it in good will. I believe even the so called lesser bowls get a local boost from sponsors etc for the charities. Also a small boost to economy even if the crowds are not huge. Not like the big ones obviously. |
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Post by coastalcard on Dec 9, 2023 9:04:26 GMT -6
James Madison requested in November to be exempted from the bowl waiting period due to stepping up to FBS. NCAA told them no. Lo and behold……they are in a bowl. NCAA can’t get out of their own way. Is there a reasoning behind the waiting period? JMU is 11-1. It would be insane if 5-win Minnesota made it but 11 win JMU didnt. Unless there is some really good reason to have a waiting period that I’m missing. It was put in place because typically FCS schools moving up would have schedule commitments to FCS schools the first couple of years that might distort their record. It was also in place to make sure schools understood the financial commitment of the move and discourage those looking to move too quickly. Neither of these applied to JMU nor did they apply to GaSouthern or AppState, but those schools complied as was required by the agreement they signed. |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 9, 2023 9:08:21 GMT -6
Bowls from the team view are for alumni,advertising,recruiting. The local communities get exposure. Volunteers and local civic groups hosting, along with TV, and the teams playing mostly cover expenses. The big bowls end up being a good deal for community and charity. Teams in most bowls lose money, argue it's worth it in good will. I believe even the so called lesser bowls get a local boost from sponsors etc for the charities. Also a small boost to economy even if the crowds are not huge. Not like the big ones obviously. Probably charity and promotion of the local economy is part of the pitch needed to get approval by city and motivate all the volunteer help. It's a lot of work. They keep doing it year after year, but just like everything a relatively small TV contract and the lure of national outreach makes it go...whether or not the actual value of that is there or not for the community and teams in these marginal bowl games. |
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Post by prestonp on Dec 9, 2023 17:38:13 GMT -6
For years many on this board have said that bowls bring so much exposure to a university. Maybe for the big boys but not for mid-majors. The costs/benefits still outweigh the limited exposure that a minor bowl game brings. The bowl season IMO is so diluted by inconsequential games it loses the eyeballs to make a difference for mid majors.
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 10, 2023 10:18:12 GMT -6
Seventeen bowls are owned directly by ESPN. There may be some charity window dressing grafted on here and there, but ESPN is not running the bowls out of their selfless and boundless love for humanity.
ESPN's bowls are among the most obscure, competitively pointless and generally shitty, so naturally these are the bowls MAC teams tend to "qualify" for. I'm sure the overall profitability of these bowls is very marginal, and if the schools weren't paying a large chuck of the expenses, and being willingly fleeced through the ticket allotment scam, they wouldn't be financially feasible. But as it is, they do exist and their main purpose is to provide ESPN some holiday programming that is somewhat more attractive than the filler they would otherwise use in their schedule such as women's sports, Bundesliga games and their endless series of highlight/interview shows.
Of course when I say the schools are footing the bill, I mean the students, through the fees that support the whole MAC football scam. So the bowls are charitable insofar as MAC school students are graciously helping out ESPN's ratings and bottom line.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 10, 2023 12:02:27 GMT -6
Seventeen bowls are owned directly by ESPN. There may be some charity window dressing grafted on here and there, but ESPN is not running the bowls out of their selfless and boundless love for humanity. ESPN's bowls are among the most obscure, competitively pointless and generally shitty, so naturally these are the bowls MAC teams tend to "qualify" for. I'm sure the overall profitability of these bowls is very marginal, and if the schools weren't paying a large chuck of the expenses, and being willingly fleeced through the ticket allotment scam, they wouldn't be financially feasible. But as it is, they do exist and their main purpose is to provide ESPN some holiday programming that is somewhat more attractive than the filler they would otherwise use in their schedule such as women's sports, Bundesliga games and their endless series of highlight/interview shows. Of course when I say the schools are footing the bill, I mean the students, through the fees that support the whole MAC football scam. So the bowls are charitable insofar as MAC school students are graciously helping out ESPN's ratings and bottom line. Yes fees pay for it all do you think they go away if we remove or drop down in football |
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Post by williamtsherman on Dec 10, 2023 12:11:46 GMT -6
Well, yes, the bowl scam would go away, which is the topic here. I always stay on topic, you know.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 10, 2023 14:00:46 GMT -6
Well, yes, the bowl scam would go away, which is the topic here. I always stay on topic, you know. Been practicing your 00hmh dodging skills there... Well played |
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