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Post by 00hmh on Mar 14, 2024 16:47:44 GMT -6
Can you eliminate the tourney and send your number 1? If so, I bet the schools wouldn't support it because they wouldn't get their shot if they didn't win the season outright. The old Ivy League model. The tournament does provide a bit of revenue. Probably even a profit after paying for the administrators to commune with one another. It might have some minor brand enhancement. That Final ... two punchy teams who're playing their third game in three days. Not usually beautiful basketball, but a game that matters. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 14, 2024 18:33:33 GMT -6
It has to do with having several games over a few days on tv, or in our case, streaming until the final.
TV rules sports.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 14, 2024 20:01:12 GMT -6
The Mac tournament is pretty well attended when compared to other G5 tournamentd
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Post by coastalcard on Mar 14, 2024 20:18:53 GMT -6
Lower mid majors continually try to emulate the Big Boy conferences and annually prevent their best team from going to the NCAA tournament while providing entertainment to a few hundred fans and providing a weeks worth of partying and hob knobbing for the conference administrators What alternative do Mids have? No one forces you to have a tournament. The big conferences do it to make lots of money and enhance their NCAA selection presence. The MAC has only one bid, period and, well you can see the attendance and none of the non-pay networks even bother to televise the first round of games. |
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Post by villagepub on Mar 16, 2024 7:33:19 GMT -6
Prepping and playing regular season games is totally different than prepping and playing tourney games.
Having the post season conference tournament gets teams (or a team) ready to play into the NCAA tourney.
You have to be tough on successive days to work through a tournament. I think it is good preparation.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 16, 2024 7:41:33 GMT -6
You have to be tough on successive days to work through a tournament. I think it is good preparation. At no point in the NCAA post-season tournament do teams play on successive days. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2024 7:56:48 GMT -6
Prepping and playing regular season games is totally different than prepping and playing tourney games. Having the post season conference tournament gets teams (or a team) ready to play into the NCAA tourney. You have to be tough on successive days to work through a tournament. I think it is good preparation. For the first game preparation and practice, even your regular rotation and substitution can be the same.
That next game though...Not just less time to prepare. There is a much greater issue with depth.
Depth is always good. But a lack of depth problem is exaggerated when you have such a physical grind, less time to recover. And if you have to play 6 or 7 for the bulk of minutes, in that second game you are at a big disadvantage. Pure physical strength and endurance starts to trump any preparation, and you can do less of that to start with...
In the NCAA teams seem to be able to overcome that. There is a day to recover.
In the MAC tourney the problem is more severe, 3 days, 3 games. Even 8 or 9 deep you are going on fumes on day 3. A team that relies on shooting is going to have tired legs at the end of the first half, not just end of the game. A team with any deficit in size or athleticism, that is magnified. In the NCAA you always have a full day to recover, can prepare and practice.
In the MAC you rely on preparation you have done in previous games at least. Physical side is harder.
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Post by purplecats on Mar 16, 2024 8:34:14 GMT -6
What alternative do Mids have? No one forces you to have a tournament. The big conferences do it to make lots of money and enhance their NCAA selection presence. The MAC has only one bid, period and, well you can see the attendance and none of the non-pay networks even bother to televise the first round of games. At some point as we have gone over 351 and inch toward 360 schools playing D1 sports the "Mids" and lowers would be smart to try to move to expand one day to 128 teams and include regular season champs from the next level of mids and lowers. Quit rewarding P5 conferences that won't play mids or only play "at their place" with spots in the field to near .500 in conference teams. It will never happen but "it is logical Captain" |
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 16, 2024 8:50:55 GMT -6
Quit rewarding P5 conferences that won't play mids or only play "at their place" with spots in the field to near .500 in conference teams. This is where the Indiana States of the world are getting screwed right now. No team in a P5 conference who has a top 30 ranking and loses in their conference championship game is going to get left out of the tournament. But the Sycramores might and that's just crap. |
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 16, 2024 9:01:18 GMT -6
In the debate of which MAC team might be the best to send: Regular season or tournament champion.
The No. 1 seed in the MAC tournament has won the tournament just 9 times in the past 23 years (dating back to 2000) (and now in 24 years if we count this year).
Those No. 1 seeds, when representing the league in the NCAA, have a 7-9 (.438) record during that time.
Non No. 1 seeds, when representing the league in the NCAA, have a 6-14 (.300) record during that time. So, despite the fact that they've had more years to work with, they've compiled fewer wins.
MAC teams have been eliminated in the first round of the tournament 13 times. In only 3-4 years during that time did the MAC rep have a seed higher than 12, which means they are usually paired up against top-ranked teams in the first round.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 16, 2024 13:44:49 GMT -6
What a fun time of year in NCAA BB. I mean....you know....for programs that aren't mismanaged, low-expectation, excuse-based, multi-decade dumpster fires.
By the way, what is the Official 2023-24 BSU Basketball Excuse anyway? If I'm not mistaken, it is sort of the flip side of the 2022-23 excuse.
Official 2022-23 BSU Basketball Excuse: Whitford's players were too soft for Lewis to win with.
Official 2023-24 BSU Basketball Excuse: Whitford's players were too good to keep around, so a rebuilding year was necessary to recover from their loss.
I'll let the experts take over from here.
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 16, 2024 15:15:56 GMT -6
What a fun time of year in NCAA BB. I mean....you know....for programs that aren't mismanaged, low-expectation, excuse-based, multi-decade dumpster fires. By the way, what is the Official 2023-24 BSU Basketball Excuse anyway? If I'm not mistaken, it is sort of the flip side of the 2022-23 excuse. Official 2022-23 BSU Basketball Excuse: Whitford's players were too soft for Lewis to win with.
Official 2023-24 BSU Basketball Excuse: Whitford's players were too good to keep around, so a rebuilding year was necessary to recover from their loss.
I'll let the experts take over from here. My vote (although I don't consider myself an expert) for the Official 2023-24 BSU Basketball Excuse is: Jarron Coleman leaving at the last possible time. Coleman at PG and Anderson at SG for the season would have meant at least 2 or 3 more conference wins and a chance to crack that top 8 teams in the MAC tourney. |
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 16, 2024 16:06:37 GMT -6
I think since both the Net ranking and Kenpom had the Cardinals as the eighth best or better MAC team at the end of the regular season, the obvious excuse should be that we should have made it to the MAC tournament based on the rankings and not excluded from it because of that pesky W-L record thing.
In fact, I would have thought the General already would have been making protest calls to the MAC office about this since he can't go more than 2-3 posts without citing rankings.
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Post by chupacabra on Mar 16, 2024 19:50:45 GMT -6
Ok Zips…now show up and represent!
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 17, 2024 13:55:47 GMT -6
You know Kent kind of bumbled their way through the MAC season and finished just one game above us in the standings. It didn't seem like there was a whole lot to choose from between us and them by regular season's end, and we even handled them relatively easily in Muncie in March.
But who is surprised Kent came within a hair of winning a championship in the MAC final? I was not the least bit surprised. On the other hand, I think I am like most in that it would have been absolutely shocking and almost incomprehensible to me for Ball State to have had that same run.
Sometimes I step back and just marvel at how thoroughly and completely our program sucks in every way, and how hopeless and downtrodden it has become.
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