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Post by proctorp on Dec 17, 2016 21:29:58 GMT -6
I have talked to several staff and U employees and nobody knows what is going on at BSU currently.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 17, 2016 21:38:40 GMT -6
It's a cluster is what it is. Clearly someone doesn't want Rick hall to eff up our u anymore and is leaking info.
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Post by reevo on Dec 17, 2016 22:39:38 GMT -6
I had no idea that Hall is such a narcissist. He sure as hell has not used his influence to make our athletic programs better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 6:54:46 GMT -6
It looks to me like the Governors office is trying to reel-in Ball State to an extent. In a way, considering some of the outrageous decisions made by Jo Ann ( $100 million geothermal boondoggle, losing money in two separate investment scams), I really can't blame them. Is Hall overboard and narcissistic, sure looks that way. Is Ball State's recent past also partially at fault, yes without a doubt.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 18, 2016 8:57:53 GMT -6
Rick has essentially been trying to run the University from his chairman position. You can't do that and it's not good. Any new prez will have to be a yesman to him and it will really put us in a spot. People have to operate out of fear and it's crippling
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 18, 2016 10:34:42 GMT -6
Is Ball State's recent past also partially at fault, yes without a doubt. The JoAnn problem is not solved by moving it one level higher...Universities need a set of strategic goals, but colleges are so diverse in function that one size fits all doesn't work well either. Business College and Fine Arts College are different. Both JoAnn and Hall seem to worship at the altar of "national recognition" and want good PR. Where they differ slightly is the devotion to what the Indiana legislature wants. Hall is much more about that. JoAnn was very good at finding something the University could do well, that would please the legislators, selling it to them. Hall seems more interested in finding out what the politics are, what they want and letting them set the agenda, toeing the party line provided by the politicians. The legislature loves the Ivy Tech vocational model, reducing BSU in stature. BSU has had the goal of establishing a niche below the land grant schools but above ISU, IUPUI, IPFW and being comparable to the higher mid major institutions around the country. The metrics Hall names like 4 year graduation and job placement are obviously measuring desirable outcomes in general terms. Still, all of that is dependent on students and their families and needs, and many of our real success stories will have a hard time meeting those goals in 4 years. The university needs some independence to retain academic quality and a broader mission than just jobs. Reducing programs that might lead to graduate study or which are not broadly speaking vocational changes us into IvyTech+ Since the legislature is consistently cutting support, why should we pay MORE attention? |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 18, 2016 10:44:38 GMT -6
Nailed it. And Hall has been cutting throats to curry favor with all the wrong people and drove away a really good president.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 18, 2016 10:44:39 GMT -6
Rick has essentially been trying to run the University from his chairman position. You can't do that and it's not good. Any new prez will have to be a yesman to him and it will really put us in a spot. People have to operate out of fear and it's crippling JoAnn problem only much more driven by politics of the legislature. JoAnn wanted independence if only to maintain her control over the future plan, and to make BSU rival the big Universities in its areas of strength. I don't trust the legislature to give a damn about Ball State at all, they would love to have a state wide board of regents which would put BSU goals very low on the agenda, and magnify the factors which make IU and PU have even greater advantage. This cuts budget with BSU getting less funding, relying more on contract faculty, cutting research, and becoming a school which was less a 4 year school. The legislature favors a model where we are more a place for the IVT students to migrate toward to get a 4 year degree after 2 years at very low cost, low quality education with all contract faculty. |
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Post by cardfan on Dec 18, 2016 10:48:08 GMT -6
Rick has essentially been trying to run the University from his chairman position. You can't do that and it's not good. Any new prez will have to be a yesman to him and it will really put us in a spot. People have to operate out of fear and it's crippling JoAnn problem only much more driven by politics of the legislature. JoAnn wanted independence if only to maintain her control over the future plan, and to make BSU rival the big Universities in its areas of strength. I don't trust the legislature to give a damn about Ball State at all, they would love to have a state wide board of regents which would put BSU goals very low on the agenda, and magnify the factors which make IU and PU have even greater advantage. This cuts budget with BSU getting less funding, relying more on contract faculty, cutting research, and becoming a school which was less a 4 year school. The legislature favors a model where we are more a place for the IVT students to migrate toward to get a 4 year degree after 2 years at very low cost, low quality education with all contract faculty. And it all makes me sick. Rick Hall is trying to send us down that path for his personal gain and it blows my mind he would do that to us. He wants a puppet. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 11:41:34 GMT -6
early in the thread I volunteered to run the president's job remotely from my home........looks like I'd be a good fit. Call me on my Landline, Rick.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 18, 2016 12:19:48 GMT -6
Tar you were never a candidate. According to Hall, apparently our very own Bigfoot is also not a candidate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 16:05:48 GMT -6
Is Ball State's recent past also partially at fault, yes without a doubt. The JoAnn problem is not solved by moving it one level higher...Universities need a set of strategic goals, but colleges are so diverse in function that one size fits all doesn't work well either. Business College and Fine Arts College are different. Both JoAnn and Hall seem to worship at the altar of "national recognition" and want good PR. Where they differ slightly is the devotion to what the Indiana legislature wants. Hall is much more about that. JoAnn was very good at finding something the University could do well, that would please the legislators, selling it to them. Hall seems more interested in finding out what the politics are, what they want and letting them set the agenda, toeing the party line provided by the politicians. The legislature loves the Ivy Tech vocational model, reducing BSU in stature. BSU has had the goal of establishing a niche below the land grant schools but above ISU, IUPUI, IPFW and being comparable to the higher mid major institutions around the country. The metrics Hall names like 4 year graduation and job placement are obviously measuring desirable outcomes in general terms. Still, all of that is dependent on students and their families and needs, and many of our real success stories will have a hard time meeting those goals in 4 years. The university needs some independence to retain academic quality and a broader mission than just jobs. Reducing programs that might lead to graduate study or which are not broadly speaking vocational changes us into IvyTech+ Since the legislature is consistently cutting support, why should we pay MORE attention? What ? It appears your inferiority complex is on display. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 16:20:31 GMT -6
Rick has essentially been trying to run the University from his chairman position. You can't do that and it's not good. Any new prez will have to be a yesman to him and it will really put us in a spot. People have to operate out of fear and it's crippling JoAnn wanted independence if only to maintain her control over the future plan, and to make BSU rival the big Universities in its areas of strength. Oh please, Jo Ann flushed tens of millions of dollars down the toilet in an attempt to add some green energy cred to her PERSONAL resume. How naive are you ? Is Hall overstepping his boundaries, yes. However to say Jo Ann was interested in the long term goals of Ball State is beyond stupid. She was looking toward her next position the day she started here. Unfortunately for her and the University she screwed things up so bad no one would hire her. In the end all she did was piss off alumni and reveal herself as a vapid self-aggrandising clown. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 16:22:40 GMT -6
The JoAnn problem is not solved by moving it one level higher...Universities need a set of strategic goals, but colleges are so diverse in function that one size fits all doesn't work well either. Business College and Fine Arts College are different. Both JoAnn and Hall seem to worship at the altar of "national recognition" and want good PR. Where they differ slightly is the devotion to what the Indiana legislature wants. Hall is much more about that. JoAnn was very good at finding something the University could do well, that would please the legislators, selling it to them. Hall seems more interested in finding out what the politics are, what they want and letting them set the agenda, toeing the party line provided by the politicians. The legislature loves the Ivy Tech vocational model, reducing BSU in stature. BSU has had the goal of establishing a niche below the land grant schools but above ISU, IUPUI, IPFW and being comparable to the higher mid major institutions around the country. The metrics Hall names like 4 year graduation and job placement are obviously measuring desirable outcomes in general terms. Still, all of that is dependent on students and their families and needs, and many of our real success stories will have a hard time meeting those goals in 4 years. The university needs some independence to retain academic quality and a broader mission than just jobs. Reducing programs that might lead to graduate study or which are not broadly speaking vocational changes us into IvyTech+ Since the legislature is consistently cutting support, why should we pay MORE attention? |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 18, 2016 19:17:56 GMT -6
JoAnn wanted independence if only to maintain her control over the future plan, and to make BSU rival the big Universities in its areas of strength. Oh please, Jo Ann flushed tens of millions of dollars down the toilet in an attempt to add some green energy cred to her PERSONAL resume. How naive are you ? Is Hall overstepping his boundaries, yes. However to say Jo Ann was interested in the long term goals of Ball State is beyond stupid. She was looking toward her next position the day she started here. Unfortunately for her and the University she screwed things up so bad no one would hire her. In the end all she did was piss off alumni and reveal herself as a vapid self-aggrandising clown. There was no doubt ego and self interest. My statement says as much. What I said and will stand behind was that her self interest and that of the University happened to dovetail on the issue of independence and defining long term goals for BSU at odds with the prevailing politicians idea of centralized control which will destroy much of what is great about BSU. That is a critical issue to the future for us. If you think the legislature's interest in dismantling BSU and transforming it is going to end up a big plus for BSU, you are nuts. I am no fan of the geothermal, but would prefer JoAnn in charge to the yahoos from IU and Purdue in the legislature who would sell us out, or the direction they want to go for this university which has far more potential than serving as Ball Vocational U. |
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