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Post by 00hmh on Sept 8, 2016 14:07:43 GMT -6
I don't think you understood the point of my comment. I've always been a supporter of Steve and the "?" at the end of my statement was the indication that I wasn't of the opinion that Shondell had left the cupboard bare. Sorry that you couldn't pick up on that and had to write a couple of paragraphs to explain your inner knowledge. Then we may agree! Sure sounded like you were blaming everyone in sight. The smelling part probably confused me, I never really trusted my nose as much, so maybe I missed the point. I don't smell anything except a bad performance by the team right now. I don't claim to know the reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 14:44:43 GMT -6
We also have a similar situation with women's softball. With Nicholson and Perry at the helm, we had a contender. Nicholson is at ASU, and Perry is at Illinois and we have new management that underdelivered this past season.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 8, 2016 16:17:26 GMT -6
We also have a similar situation with women's softball. With Nicholson and Perry at the helm, we had a contender. Nicholson is at ASU, and Perry is at Illinois and we have new management that underdelivered this past season. And as of right now the roster doesn't even have enough players to field a team. She going to add 10-15 freshmen and walk ons?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 8, 2016 20:30:54 GMT -6
I know nothing about Volleyball so Im not going to pretend I do.. I just came here to say BEAT IU
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2016 7:45:14 GMT -6
We also have a similar situation with women's softball. With Nicholson and Perry at the helm, we had a contender. Nicholson is at ASU, and Perry is at Illinois and we have new management that underdelivered this past season. When the programs on this side of BSU athletics get good, have some good years put together, it almost always means a coach was hired more or less at market and performed over expectations. Then they are a bargain, but the chances of hitting two straight bargains on relatively low budget becomes much less. We tend to gamble and sometimes win, sometimes lose. But realistically, the odds of replacing what has been PROVEN to be a good coach worth more than we pay, with anybody that good on the same or less money is slim. Besides that of course a coach is MOST likely to leave when they have developed a good senior class which is on the way out the door when they also have best chances to leave. Maybe that is true in any sport unless you pay well...we don't. In WVB the coach is leaving is for different reasons, but a similar situation in result. In any case we tend to gamble on coaches who are not proven but have good potential, willing to work for the chance to win at fairly low pay. Which is not a bad idea, but it may mean we have to wait while a new coach overcomes the tough transition and sometimes has to learn the ropes. Hope that is true here.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 9, 2016 8:36:50 GMT -6
To me that just seems to be a long way of saying BSU tends to get it wrong when trying to replace successful coaches because we're cheap.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2016 10:00:57 GMT -6
Of course we start out cheap, it's not just replacing a coach. Probably do pretty well on the cheap. But it really hurts, or looks like it does, maybe more than it does, when you have a coach work out well then leave. That was the long point made...
It's maybe worse for us when we actually pay well sometimes. They tried to keep the one WBB coach, who was pretty good,and also got some attention flagpole sitting, as I recall. Best paid coach on campus! But, that women's team coaching job is a little different than all the rest. Most, and some men's sports too are on the cheap at least a little. Lembo was paid well, obviously not a sure solution to coaching problems.
Programs who have money to burn, do burn it, lose more when they are wrong, too, but their average results are better. You generally speaking get what you pay for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 12:26:25 GMT -6
We also have a similar situation with women's softball. With Nicholson and Perry at the helm, we had a contender. Nicholson is at ASU, and Perry is at Illinois and we have new management that underdelivered this past season. When the programs on this side of BSU athletics get good, have some good years put together, it almost always means a coach was hired more or less at market and performed over expectations. Then they are a bargain, but the chances of hitting two straight bargains on relatively low budget becomes much less. We tend to gamble and sometimes win, sometimes lose. But realistically, the odds of replacing what has been PROVEN to be a good coach worth more than we pay, with anybody that good on the same or less money is slim. Besides that of course a coach is MOST likely to leave when they have developed a good senior class which is on the way out the door when they also have best chances to leave. Maybe that is true in any sport unless you pay well...we don't. In WVB the coach is leaving is for different reasons, but a similar situation in result. In any case we tend to gamble on coaches who are not proven but have good potential, willing to work for the chance to win at fairly low pay. Which is not a bad idea, but it may mean we have to wait while a new coach overcomes the tough transition and sometimes has to learn the ropes. Hope that is true here. Totally understand, since we understand this, we need to be more attentive to who is the next, up and coming coach that we can hire to fill the void.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 9, 2016 15:01:12 GMT -6
I think we lost again today
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2016 17:09:18 GMT -6
Totally understand, since we understand this, we need to be more attentive to who is the next, up and coming coach that we can hire to fill the void. Of course, much of the time for the Women we cannot afford a lot of the up and coming. We are looking for under the radar coaching hires. Even in men's revenue sports we stretch as we did with Lembo. And, we even might go for a little cheaper, or make a bigger gamble sometimes.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Sept 9, 2016 19:33:44 GMT -6
First win tonight
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Post by cardfan on Sept 9, 2016 21:14:35 GMT -6
Good. Hopefully that'll take the lid off for the ladies
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 8:39:52 GMT -6
Totally understand, since we understand this, we need to be more attentive to who is the next, up and coming coach that we can hire to fill the void. Of course, much of the time for the Women we cannot afford a lot of the up and coming. We are looking for under the radar coaching hires. Even in men's revenue sports we stretch as we did with Lembo. And, we even might go for a little cheaper, or make a bigger gamble sometimes. You misunderstand. Up and coming coaches appear on the radat, and under the radar. We monitor both (AD networking is key, and monitoring other program improvements), and we work the best coach, for the best price.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 10, 2016 12:12:08 GMT -6
You misunderstand. Up and coming coaches appear on the radat, and under the radar. We monitor both (AD networking is key, and monitoring other program improvements), and we work the best coach, for the best price. I understand all of that, but it doesn't change the fact that if the prospect is up and coming and "on the radar" we end up getting beat on what we can offer with our budget too often. Everyone knows about that coach and wants him. Especially if we want "the best coach." I am emphasizing more that the best price for us is not enough sometimes to get the coaching outcomes after hire as fast, or to have the potential, that we probably want.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Sept 16, 2016 12:57:28 GMT -6
The volleyball team now has 3 straight wins as of this morning and sit at 3-9 on the season. They play Valpo tonight at 8pm
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