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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 22, 2018 21:11:30 GMT -6
It could easily be argued the best win of Neu's tenure to date was his opening game as an underdog against Georgia State given it was a mild upset and the way BSU dictated tempo in the 2nd half was impressive. 3 of BSU's 7 wins since 2016 have been against FCS schools. Progression just isnt tangibly there 2 1/3 years in.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 22, 2018 21:41:10 GMT -6
If he goes Ofer or onefer in the MAC again this year I think you have to cut ties. (Unless we’re taking the Toledo’s and wmus and emus etc to the wire and we’re clearly getting close. But that ain’t happening.) Right now it’s hard to see us being competitive.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 22, 2018 22:28:32 GMT -6
I said going in they'd need a minimum of 3 MAC wins for Neu to return for year 4. Odds of that happening are probably as slim as beating NIU for the first time in a decade. If I'm Beth Goetz I'm low key brainstorming to figure attainable yet intriguing names to have in the back of her mind, granted I know if Neu is launched there would be multiple parties involved with finding the next coach.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 23, 2018 5:22:37 GMT -6
Yesterday disappointing. Lost one we coulda, shoulda won.
OTOH despite the disappointment it was a game we led with 8 minutes to go, after a good drive.
It feels bad, but objectively how far off? We are better than last year, have had not enough good play, but enough that we should not be in deep despair, not yet. Neal is better, there is talent there, but youth means limitations. And mistakes. And we need more talent, no doubt.
The seat will be hot for Neu, a winless MAC season could be the end. Not really sure that would be right, a pretty young team may deserve slack. This should not be a year we decide, barring something else more, some meltdown we really have not seen.
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Post by bsutony on Sept 23, 2018 6:42:25 GMT -6
I agree OOMH. That was a game with two pretty evenly matched teams. I didn’t think Ball State played terrible, but the holding calls were the death of them. Beat Kent State!
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Post by ballman on Sept 23, 2018 8:08:13 GMT -6
I have 0 confidence in Neu. Not a good coach. And yet I see a team like Illinois State---an FCS school with good coaching, playing at Colorado State (a larger school with much more resources) and winning big...almost blowing CSU.
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Post by bsutony on Sept 23, 2018 8:51:36 GMT -6
I like Neu and so do the players, but at some point you have to win some meaningful games. I really hope they turn it around.
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Post by officerfarva on Sept 23, 2018 9:16:18 GMT -6
I can't decide if I wish I'd seen this or I'm glad that I didn't.
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Post by cardrock on Sept 23, 2018 9:32:13 GMT -6
I do not have the longevity as anyone or majority on this forum, but yesterday I have my roster out as I’m watching the game. As I’m watching who’s in on the tackle, who’s in on the right side/left side of the line, who’s down field covering here or there, etc... I keep looking in the program and it’s sophomore, red-shirt sophomore, had to look- oh there’s one, senior, junior, nope that’s it, back to sophomore. This team is young. Have a couple of the older guys on the sidelines little banged up in a boot or what not. If Neu’s seat is getting hot I understand, but what I’d be very disappointed is to see him out at the end of this season, have a new guy come in, get a pass for struggling his first year (“adjustments- new coach/players learning new system”) and then has Neu’s recruits - now seniors & juniors all pretty much 3 year letter earners, all that experience winning, “new coach is a genius, best coaching move ever!”... those players graduate, move on and now what? New coach can’t recruit, we’re back to young guys with no experience and in the new coaches 3rd year looking for possible change. I say stay with Neu, maybe tweak staff some, but get his first recruits older with his subsequent couple classes growing up behind the first. I’ve never felt you were giving a program a fair shot with a coaching change every 3/4 years. How do you know what you really have? Good coaches never get to see they’re payoff, bad coaches keep moving up on the backs of someone else recruiting. I think its really is a bigger jump from high school to college football than most people keep in mind, it takes a bit for a group of kids from all over sometimes to get it together, and sometimes what a coach thinks he’s getting from a commitment doesn’t turn out that well. These kids are young. As much as we don’t like it, it takes time.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 9:39:18 GMT -6
Yesterday disappointing. Lost one we coulda, shoulda won. OTOH despite the disappointment it was a game we led with 8 minutes to go, after a good drive. It feels bad, but objectively how far off? We are better than last year, have had not enough good play, but enough that we should not be in deep despair, not yet. Neal is better, there is talent there, but youth means limitations. And mistakes. And we need more talent, no doubt. The seat will be hot for Neu, a winless MAC season could be the end. Not really sure that would be right, a pretty young team may deserve slack. This should not be a year we decide, barring something else more, some meltdown we really have not seen. ---------- It would be hard to not be better than last year. I've rarely ever in last 29 years(roughly the number of years I've followed football)seen a team so decimated at the QB position as the 2017 Cards. And for that reason I was on board with bringing Neu back this year because the circumstances were so unusual plus it was only his 2nd year. Yes this team is young, but let's say for a hypothetical that Ball State goes 2-6 in the MAC this yr. Sadly 2-6 might be an optimistic prediction given what we've seen. Is there any historical precedent of a successful MAC coach losing so many games in their first 3 years? The closest I can find is Joe Novak, but NIU wasn't a MAC school his first year so it's not an exact comparable. Hokes first 3 years weren't amazing, but in year 3 they did go 4-4 and played a murderers row of a non conference slate. Yes Lembo left Neu with poor recruiting classes, but he's not the first MAC coach to have to overcome that. I would think if BSU can't get to a minimum of 3-5 in the MAC, and odds are clearly in favor of winning 3 or less, the only reason Neu would be back is if the President and BOT pushback on the cost of a 2 year buyout.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 9:42:46 GMT -6
I do not have the longevity as anyone or majority on this forum, but yesterday I have my roster out as I’m watching the game. As I’m watching who’s in on the tackle, who’s in on the right side/left side of the line, who’s down field covering here or there, etc... I keep looking in the program and it’s sophomore, red-shirt sophomore, had to look- oh there’s one, senior, junior, nope that’s it, back to sophomore. This team is young. Have a couple of the older guys on the sidelines little banged up in a boot or what not. If Neu’s seat is getting hot I understand, but what I’d be very disappointed is to see him out at the end of this season, have a new guy come in, get a pass for struggling his first year (“adjustments- new coach/players learning new system”) and then has Neu’s recruits - now seniors & juniors all pretty much 3 year letter earners, all that experience winning, “new coach is a genius, best coaching move ever!”... those players graduate, move on and now what? New coach can’t recruit, we’re back to young guys with no experience and in the new coaches 3rd year looking for possible change. I say stay with Neu, maybe tweak staff some, but get his first recruits older with his subsequent couple classes growing up behind the first. I’ve never felt you were giving a program a fair shot with a coaching change every 3/4 years. How do you know what you really have? Good coaches never get to see they’re payoff, bad coaches keep moving up on the backs of someone else recruiting. I think its really is a bigger jump from high school to college football than most people keep in mind, it takes a bit for a group of kids from all over sometimes to get it together, and sometimes what a coach thinks he’s getting from a commitment doesn’t turn out that well. These kids are young. As much as we don’t like it, it takes time. ----------- I'd buy more into another year if there was more historical precedent on successful MAC coaches struggling at this level for 3 full years unless the season turns around which i n that case absolutely bring Neu back. I don't see much precedent of something similar.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 23, 2018 10:06:03 GMT -6
I have 0 confidence in Neu. Not a good coach. And yet I see a team like Illinois State---an FCS school with good coaching, playing at Colorado State (a larger school with much more resources) and winning big...almost blowing CSU. First, I want to see him coaching decent talent to decide that.
But, I think the problem is also the learning curve for a rookie head coach and also "good coaching" is not just the head guy and his qualifications, smarts, talent. The question mark too for a rookie unproven coach is always staff, which is not just dependent on his judgment and connections, (that helps having guys to bring in with him) but also on his budget and the prospects he can offer a staff to move up with him. he has to assemble that staff from scratch. I don't see arena football as much use in that, and the question is can get people to take the plunge with him coming to BSU, not top salary and a tough place to win.
The guy who takes on a tough job has an uphill fight to convince others to get on board with him.
In basketball, it's a couple of guys you need. In FB, it's so much more corporate management...
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Post by cardfan on Sept 23, 2018 12:15:43 GMT -6
I remember some blogger said the Neu hire was a big fail at the time he was hired and we ripped him for it. That guy is looking smarter now...
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 23, 2018 12:21:10 GMT -6
I might be in the minority, but I don’t like the change your head coach every 3 years approach. I think we need to give Neu at least 1 more year to see what he can do with his recruits as juniors and seniors. Bring in someone new for special teams.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2018 13:27:22 GMT -6
I think and will always think that a coach should get to coach his guys as Jr and Sr's that would be next year for NEU. That being said if we repeat last year and he is fired I would not say a word or argue it.
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