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Post by Bigfoot on Sept 23, 2018 13:35:30 GMT -6
I might be in the minority, but I don’t like the change your head coach every 3 years approach. I think we need to give Neu at least 1 more year to see what he can do with his recruits as juniors and seniors. Bring in someone new for special teams. Totally agree and I usually say five years and then done if “not competing” for a Championship! The penalties were extreme yesterday and uncharacteristic of Neu’s teams. I can only imagine the frustration of the staff and guys like Given, Pinter etc.!
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 23, 2018 14:48:52 GMT -6
I think and will always think that a coach should get to coach his guys as Jr and Sr's that would be next year for NEU. That being said if we repeat last year and he is fired I would not say a word or argue it. I get it, but not sure we are better long term to change and not play out the hand.
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Post by bsu0 on Sept 23, 2018 16:44:55 GMT -6
I have thought long and hard about this recently . Ready or not here it is. If I am the AD I come out and state Neu is here through his contract. We signed him and gave him a MESS. He was handicapped with his first recruiting class. Most have been impressed with the talent he has been bringing in. Last year was a product of terrible injuries. His team has played three decent/good and laid one turd this year. Young teams will do that (read more to come). I think progress has been made. We cannot in good faith handicap the staff recruiting this group of in coming athletes with the threat of firing over their heads. We have to look towards the future and give Neu and staff a fair chance. The players by all reports have bought into the system and like the Neu (pun intended) coaches. We all have to remember we did not attend a football factory with a great winning history. Rebuilding a football program in the middle of basketball country is not easy. Don't get me wrong Neu is not the second coming of Jesus and he is not infallible, but he is an Alum with a great football pedigree and he loves this institution as do you and I. Let's all try to keep our eye on the prize of a successful run with this guy. We are young but we have some athletes and I believe we have solid base to build upon.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 23, 2018 16:51:30 GMT -6
No one said fire him today or anything like that. But if we win only maybe one Mac game, if that and have another 2-3 win season with all the main producers on offense back, then where are we going, exactly?
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 23, 2018 16:53:13 GMT -6
No one said fire him today or anything like that. But if we win only maybe one Mac game, if that and have another 2-3 win season with all the main producers on offense back, then where are we going, exactly? Playing tough MAC schedule, I am not sure how many wins needed
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 23, 2018 17:16:54 GMT -6
The whole "competing" for a championship thing is pretty vague, but I kinda get it. Let's say that means making it into the top 6 teams in the league. Given what we've seen, do folks think we can make it there in 2 years? I'm far from sure about that.
Let's remember: WKU was an 0-3 team we were playing at home. They started redshirt freshmen at QB and RB. At least statistically, virtually none of their top players were seniors. Their offensive line has little experience. After four games, each of their starting OL now has exactly 4 starts at those positions. They are as young as we are. In fact, their roster looks much like ours: Seniors (10), Juniors (21), Sophomores (27), Redshirt Freshmen (10), true Freshmen (27).
It's great to say let the coach's recruits come of age, but geez you have to show improvement. Does anyone think we're that much better this year than we would have been last year had we not been riddled with injuries?
And some think we still need more talent. Maybe so, but what recruits are coming here after this season if we continue down our present road? Well, you say, we can guarantee immediate playing time, right? Can we, when some of our most celebrated recruits are sitting on the bench behind Pete Lembo guys? If our path remains unchanged, recruiting is going to get a lot harder.
I do think Neal is throwing a better deep ball than he did last year (at least it's somewhere near the receiver), but we're hardly throwing it unless desperation sinks in. Even then, we threw to Riley Miller? I did spend some time watching Justin Hall yesterday and there were several times on deep routes where he would have come open, but Neal either couldn't or wouldn't wait long enough for that to happen and apparently didn't want to just throw the ball out there and let him run under it.
Frankly, it looks like Joey is still calling the plays. Are those the type of staff tweaks we might expect after this season? Thanks, but no thanks.
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Post by bsu0 on Sept 23, 2018 17:19:32 GMT -6
I am taking a gamble and rolling the dice with this proposal. I want to put this guy who loves this school in the best position possible to succeed. I do not want to ''throw out the baby with the bath water'' and start from scratch. I never said Neu is without faults. (why didn't he go for two Saturday?). We have to give the guy a decent chance. He will grow as a head coach along with his staff and players.
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 23, 2018 17:28:55 GMT -6
I am taking a gamble and rolling the dice with this proposal. I want to put this guy who loves this school in the best position possible to succeed. I do not want to ''throw out the baby with the bath water'' and start from scratch. I never said Neu is without faults. (why didn't he go for two Saturday?). We have to give the guy a decent chance. He will grow as a head coach along with his staff and players. So by putting the coach in the "best position possible to succeed" does that mean that if you were AD you would feel the need to save Neu from himself and force him to fire his defensive, special teams and offensive coordinators, one of which is also a BSU guy who I'm sure loves his school?
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 18:24:57 GMT -6
If say BSU did bring Neu back after say a 2-10/3-9 season, there better be significant improvement in yr 4, not baby steps or lame excuses since Neu is Ball state family. 4 yr is more than enough time to evaluate a coach. In other sports the Ball State administration has been way too liberal with handing out 3-4 year contract extensions after an above average season and it rarely pans out. Think Billy Taylor, and he didnt even have an above average season. One of the few times I've seen the administration throw a hammer down quickly was Parrish after 2 yr. And yes it did hurt that Lembo couldn't win at an acceptable mark with his recruits in years 4 and 5.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 18:45:23 GMT -6
No one said fire him today or anything like that. But if we win only maybe one Mac game, if that and have another 2-3 win season with all the main producers on offense back, then where are we going, exactly? I fear say a 4/5 win 2019 with 2-3 MAC wins and getting the hey we're trending up,just be patient for year 5 excuse. Now if it was .500 in MAC and bad non conference due to playing 4 money games ok I can live with that. But not say going 1-7 in MAC again. I've had enough of that.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 19:04:35 GMT -6
I might be in the minority, but I don’t like the change your head coach every 3 years approach. I think we need to give Neu at least 1 more year to see what he can do with his recruits as juniors and seniors. Bring in someone new for special teams. BSU has only fired 1 head coach within 3 years in the last 30 seasons. Its not like BSU always unloads coaches quickly and have been guilty i.e. Bill Lynch of hanging on too long although Lynch had success early before the freefall. If there were tangible success stories of head coaches having strong tenures after winning 3 or 4 conference games in 3 full years, I would be a bit more open minded. I dont know many. Fleck of course is the ultimate bad yr 1 success story.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2018 19:26:08 GMT -6
Its all about the Mac we will not win many games just is not going to happen. What can not happen is losing them in a horrible fashion if we are in the games with a shot thats alot better than last year and Neu probably keeps his job.
Here is a deeper question winning in the MAC is about QB play. Riley is going to set some BSU records and 20 years from now people will look at stats and think Damn that guy was good.. It seems like most of stats are wothless filler when was the last time we said Wow... Was it Northwestern his freshman year? Say we suck all year do we use the new red shirt year and throw Paddock out there and see what happens. Some quarterbacks have stats but do not have "it" is Riley one of these guys.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 23, 2018 19:29:29 GMT -6
Rob, you raise some valid questions.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2018 19:34:06 GMT -6
Rob, you raise some valid questions. Well I gotta find something to do.. I am not watching replays of the last two and breaking those down because its always the same problems. Ive beat the same points to death outside of a slightly improved Defense all the other shit is exactly the same.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 19:59:15 GMT -6
Its all about the Mac we will not win many games just is not going to happen. What can not happen is losing them in a horrible fashion if we are in the games with a shot thats alot better than last year and Neu probably keeps his job. Here is a deeper question winning in the MAC is about QB play. Riley is going to set some BSU records and 20 years from now people will look at stats and think Damn that guy was good.. It seems like most of stats are wothless filler when was the last time we said Wow... Was it Northwestern his freshman year? Say we suck all year do we use the new red shirt year and throw Paddock out there and see what happens. Some quarterbacks have stats but do not have "it" is Riley one of these guys. It seems at least half of his strong games with gaudy numbers have been against FCS schools.
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