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Post by 00hmh on Sept 23, 2018 21:01:15 GMT -6
We said before the year, Neal was a key. He had to get back on track.
Not the expert you guys are, but he seems to be better, maybe held back a bit by some other problems. We'd hoped the running game would be better behind a line that was a little better and with a good back returning to action. Has not worked as well as hoped, making Neal's limitations more a problem.
I am pessimistic he gets a lot better without our getting more from others too. But I don't see a young team getting it going this year with a freshman QB, if we we don't have upperclassmen leading. And, I don't see much value in putting Paddock out there without a big fast receiver and a better line, or can rely on the run more. Then we might get somebody behind the defense and let him rip.
I guess I'd say if he's really better he should get his chance in Spring, start fresh then maybe, but it's not like this was a team that was just suffering from poor QB play, needed only that change.
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 23, 2018 21:08:03 GMT -6
Its all about the Mac we will not win many games just is not going to happen. What can not happen is losing them in a horrible fashion if we are in the games with a shot thats alot better than last year and Neu probably keeps his job. Here is a deeper question winning in the MAC is about QB play. Riley is going to set some BSU records and 20 years from now people will look at stats and think Damn that guy was good.. It seems like most of stats are wothless filler when was the last time we said Wow... Was it Northwestern his freshman year? Say we suck all year do we use the new red shirt year and throw Paddock out there and see what happens. Some quarterbacks have stats but do not have "it" is Riley one of these guys. Neal is definitely not the problem. He was very accurate Saturday, even on the deep ball. Hall didn’t help him much on one of his deep shots in the first half. The Oline is the bigger concern. We were getting stuffed on runs up the middle and got called for holding on half of the offensive snaps. I don’t get the negativity towards Neal. We saw how terrible the team was last year when he missed games. I agree 100%. Offensive line and play calling appear to be the problem much more so than Neal. I have actually been impressed with Neal and his legs have been a weapon when he inevitably has to scramble. Open up some holes for the RB and give Neal some time to throw.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 21:17:26 GMT -6
We are A Kent State Loss away from losing also ran status. Lose it and we are at the bottom not near the bottom. We will be swimming in the shit with CMU. EU has passed us Akron has passed us.. Wait for it Buffalo is really good, Toledo is always good, WMU is still decent, NIU we can not beat... Ohio better than us etc etc ----------- Agreed and a big reason why I bothered to vent on this thread. I can deal with that in yr 1, yr 2 was an understandable cluster with so many QB injuries. This isn't OK in year 3. Not enough historical precedent of successful tenures that struggle at that level 3 years in.Being ranked around 113th in country doesn't cut it.
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Post by rgmillikan on Sept 23, 2018 21:34:36 GMT -6
Neal is definitely not the problem. He was very accurate Saturday, even on the deep ball. Hall didn’t help him much on one of his deep shots in the first half. The Oline is the bigger concern. We were getting stuffed on runs up the middle and got called for holding on half of the offensive snaps. I don’t get the negativity towards Neal. We saw how terrible the team was last year when he missed games. I agree 100%. Offensive line and play calling appear to be the problem much more so than Neal. I have actually been impressed with Neal and his legs have been a weapon when he inevitably has to scramble. Open up some holes for the RB and give Neal some time to throw. If Ball State doesn't turn it around and Neu returns in yr 4, would the playcalling be that much different in 2019?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2018 21:35:09 GMT -6
Ok I am going to repeat my self again. I do not think paddock is better than Riley. I do not think Paddock will start over Riley even next year. We have a new rule that allows us to preview players with no penalty. I do think Paddock will be the back up next year. So if we are sitting at 1-5 or maybe 2-6 it would seem pretty obvious that there is a problem some where. Maybe its the line, maybe its Riley maybe its some of both what ever it is we are not winning out to get 5 or 6 wins. Naybe Riley gets us one more win, Maybe he gets us two. Throw Paddock out there the last four and see what the kid has in a game situation. Let him get his feet wet so if Riley goes down at some point he is not a freshman walking into an unfamiliar situation. Maybe he plays well and gets a win maybe he just shows he has "it" We need "it" from somewhere
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Post by redbirdman on Sept 23, 2018 21:41:59 GMT -6
You definitely play Paddock in four games the question to me is are you starting him against teams if we have no chance for a Bowl? I would say no play Neal if we can compete or win but if it is a 2nd half & we are down 17 or more Paddock is going to play.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2018 22:00:12 GMT -6
You definitely play Paddock in four games the question to me is are you starting him against teams if we have no chance for a Bowl? I would say no play Neal if we can compete or win but if it is a 2nd half & we are down 17 or more Paddock is going to play. Thats fine too Id prefer just to say the hell with it and give the entire games but what ever. Im not limiting this to just Paddock either if you have guys you think are going to contribute get them out there and see what you have.. Hopefully some of them play well enough to create some controversy and light some fires under some peoples asses heading into the spring. While I am venting they played Yo heinz, uzindinma, potts and another freshman in game one and we have barely seen them since. Why? Why play them for three plays a game in the first part of the season if you do not plan on playing or using them as the season progresses. Put yo heinz out there and throw him the damn ball. Why play the other three one or two meaningless snaps in the first three games just wait till the last four and play them alot with no penalty. Now you have four freshman that have played a couple snaps in three or four games and their redshirt will likely be gone.
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Post by lmills72 on Sept 23, 2018 22:38:42 GMT -6
I don't know about throwing Paddock out there in the last four. Letting the kid face Toledo, Western and Ohio doesn't seem like it would be doing him a big favor. I might see what the team shows against Kent and NIU and if it's what we've seen so far, give him a shot against CMU. If he looks like he might be a difference maker, then you've got a decision to make.
As for youth, we are starting mostly juniors and seniors at plenty of position groups where we're still getting outplayed (defensive backfield anyone?). We are young overall, but we get outplayed even in areas where we have experience.
Then, there's player usage issues in general. Dunner had 3 touches on offense Saturday. From what I can tell, he's the biggest threat we have to break one (averaging almost 7 yards a carry) and he gets 3 touches. I know we're deep at RB, but we have a find a way to get the kid the ball more than 3 times a game on offense.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 23, 2018 22:47:54 GMT -6
I don't know about throwing Paddock out there in the last four. Letting the kid face Toledo, Western and Ohio doesn't seem like it would be doing him a big favor. I might see what the team shows against Kent and NIU and if it's what we've seen so far, give him a shot against CMU. If he looks like he might be a difference maker, then you've got a decision to make. As for youth, we are starting mostly juniors and seniors at plenty of position groups where we're still getting outplayed (defensive backfield anyone?). We are young overall, but we get outplayed even in areas where we have experience. Then, there's player usage issues in general. Dunner had 3 touches on offense Saturday. From what I can tell, he's the biggest threat we have to break one (averaging almost 7 yards a carry) and he gets 3 touches. I know we're deep at RB, but we have a find a way to get the kid the ball more than 3 times a game on offense. Thats a plan as well
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Post by cardfan on Sept 24, 2018 3:18:51 GMT -6
Player usage has been very strange. We try to get Hall as many touches as possible and that’s fine, but defenses seem to have that covered this year. (Explain how he got so many catches last year mainly with backups 2 thru 4 but with Riley back we’re having a hard time getting him many.) When lacanaria is your leading receiver that’s not great. And that’s nothing against him.
We can’t find a way to get our supposed studs on the field. What’s going on there? With us really having nothing to lose why not get them snaps?
And I’m sorry but our veteran DBs continue to be bad. One of them is constantly out of position and takes bad angles in plays in front of him and misses a lot of tackles.
Obviously we don’t know what goes on in practice during the week but as said by others, why are some guys getting the majority of snaps when more talented guys behind them have shown they can play? We need playmakers out there at this point, not guys who don’t show up when we need them most. Defense is better, yes, but we don’t get turnovers and we give up scores late when trying to hold a lead. With the offense so stagnant we’ve got to find a way to force the issue.
What will Toledo, et al do to us? The talent (and coaching) gap still seems so extreme.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 24, 2018 4:25:42 GMT -6
I don't get the idea Paddock needs to go on field to show something. They see him every day, know what he can do. It's wishful thinking a little that he is going to be a savior, or surprise anybody.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 24, 2018 5:30:08 GMT -6
Missing robs point. Point is, since the rule says you can plan in 4 games and still redshirt, if possible get him some snaps so he’s he’s got live game experience for the future. And yes, you do learn something about him you can’t get in practice. It’s not about him being a savior or surprise.
In the meantime, we have tight ends don’t we?
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Post by david75bsu on Sept 24, 2018 5:31:47 GMT -6
Riley is good. The line already has two injuries. The running game has not been what we thought versus IU an dnow WKU. I love Hall, but he has dropped some long balls he caught last year. Any talk of replacing Riley is silly. Three TD’s by WKU in the second half was a killer!
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Post by BSUMike on Sept 24, 2018 5:56:14 GMT -6
Riley is good. The line already has two injuries. The running game has not been what we thought versus IU an dnow WKU. I love Hall, but he has dropped some long balls he caught last year. Any talk of replacing Riley is silly. Three TD’s by WKU in the second half was a killer! Agreed. I’m fine with getting another QB some reps when we are getting smoked by Toledo or NIU, etc., but we need to play our best players.
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Post by cardfan on Sept 24, 2018 6:05:16 GMT -6
I’m not sure anyone was talking about replacing Riley.
What would be really good is if Neu could find more and better ways to maximize Riley’s skills while we have him. Dink and dunk and hopeless runs against a stacked line of scrimmage and being entirely too predictable isn’t working.
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