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Post by cardfan on Oct 15, 2018 17:10:31 GMT -6
Pretty much.
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Joey Lynch
Oct 15, 2018 17:32:04 GMT -6
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Post by bsutony on Oct 15, 2018 17:32:04 GMT -6
I haven't had the opportunity to watch too many games this year. Do we still line up on every first down and try to run up the middle for a gain of 1 yd? They have mixed it up a lot more on 1st down. Not always with great results, but better than last year.
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Post by bsutony on Oct 15, 2018 17:37:42 GMT -6
Has the offense really been that bad? The last two defenses we faced are arguably the best in the MAC. Against a bad defense we scored 52. EMU is good on defense as well, but after that we might have some shootouts. Scoring 24 against CMU is not a bad result. Hopefully they continue to improve.
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Joey Lynch
Oct 15, 2018 17:50:46 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 15, 2018 17:50:46 GMT -6
Decent point to consider.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 15, 2018 18:19:41 GMT -6
Relative to what we thought the offense could be, yes it’s been disappointing.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 15, 2018 19:08:18 GMT -6
Just in terms of rankings (without regard to competition), MU is comparable to NIU and CMU, EMU and WMU are comparable to IU and WKU (games in which we scored 10 and 20 points respectively), while UT and OU are KSU bad.
So you may be right that things will kind of even out.
But my problem is more what I see on the field. We rely way too much on Neal's legs. I wouldn't have a problem if we were relying on his arm but it's his legs that are being used to pick up key first downs, extend drives, etc. He's the second leading rusher on our team by a long shot and this is supposed to be a team with a stable of stud RBs and WRs. Why the hell is our QB running so much?
So maybe we're racking up some yards and scoring some points, but the reliance on Neal running the ball tells me the offense is not working as planned.
Hall, our supposed All-American candidate, is our third-leading receiver (about 8 ypc), again considerably behind Miller and Lacanaria. Kudos to those two for the job they've done, but the inability to consistently and effectively engage Hall in the game plan (and I do realize he's had several drops this year) is again a sign to me that we are not effectively using personnel (and I've already had my little rant about Dunner's lack of use).
So, yes, I do think the offense is an issue.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Oct 15, 2018 19:14:19 GMT -6
On Neal, when we signed him, I was really excited about his ability to run. I think that’s one of his strengths and should be used a lot. Remember CMU and Lafebre (spelling).
I am expecting more running success from the other guys though. Critical tests coming.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 15, 2018 19:30:31 GMT -6
A QB sneak on 3rd and 1. Fine.
Even a few designed QB runs. OK.
Scrambles under pressure? Inevitable.
But the way he's running is clearly not the way this offense is intended to work.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Oct 15, 2018 19:35:54 GMT -6
A QB sneak on 3rd and 1. Fine. Even a few designed QB runs. OK. Scrambles under pressure? Inevitable. But the way he's running is clearly not the way this offense is intended to work. I agree with designed runs for Neal. They just need to be mixed in with the other runs and pass plays so it’s not predictable . He is an effective runner.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 15, 2018 19:46:02 GMT -6
Just in terms of rankings (without regard to competition), MU is comparable to NIU and CMU, EMU and WMU are comparable to IU and WKU (games in which we scored 10 and 20 points respectively), while UT and OU are KSU bad. So you may be right that things will kind of even out. But my problem is more what I see on the field. We rely way too much on Neal's legs. I wouldn't have a problem if we were relying on his arm but it's his legs that are being used to pick up key first downs, extend drives, etc. He's the second leading rusher on our team by a long shot and this is supposed to be a team with a stable of stud RBs and WRs. Why the hell is our QB running so much? So maybe we're racking up some yards and scoring some points, but the reliance on Neal running the ball tells me the offense is not working as planned. Hall, our supposed All-American candidate, is our third-leading receiver (about 8 ypc), again considerably behind Miller and Lacanaria. Kudos to those two for the job they've done, but the inability to consistently and effectively engage Hall in the game plan (and I do realize he's had several drops this year) is again a sign to me that we are not effectively using personnel (and I've already had my little rant about Dunner's lack of use). So, yes, I do think the offense is an issue. Hall had great success with quarterbacks not named Riley Neal last year. It doesn’t appear Riley has great rapport with Hall like he does Miller and Lacanaria. Based on Hall losing his starting spot briefly, part of the issue falls at Halls feet. He wasn’t doing the things that made him so good last year. (And quite honestly he was just about our only good option last year). I agree to an extent about the over reliance on Neal’s running. We need it to be part of the offense, not THE offense. But if nothing else is working.... seems to me though we could work a little bit harder at establishing Gilbert. He needs more consistent carries than he’s getting to get rolling. I guess I feel the offense is too scattershot and as someone else said, lacks an identity. We don’t seem to establish anything and roll with it. No rhythm. The KSU game showed what we could do with a more open and vertical game but how much of that was simply because Kent is horrible? Showed that vs CCSu as well. We went back to a lot of horizontal and boundary throws against niu. Didn’t really attack early. Do we have any plays over/down the middle and seams? We don’t make nearly enough use of Givan.
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Oct 15, 2018 19:54:45 GMT -6
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Post by cardrock on Oct 15, 2018 19:54:45 GMT -6
I don’t believe it’s the intent to have Neal be running, my question is how much is it his decision. The scrambles yes, but several times this past game we’re taking a huge loss because he wouldn’t throw it away. Frustrating. I believe he gets happy feet some, forgets to plant before he throws a lot. On the limited plays/dry play calling I think the lack of depth is a huge part of this. it impacts the depth/quality of plays available. I also think it’s about match ups, not just on the outside at WR. You have to have studs on the field. If you have 5 and the other team has 6, well you’re screwed, but if they have 4, hey now... you have to find what you have verses what they don’t & be able to match it up. Several key spots for us are hurting, no depth, or need time to develop. That’s why film study, script your first series or so to set the tone for the rest of the game calling needs to be successful. For the most part I think the season has been positive overall, when you think it isn’t, look back at last years score for the same game. Unfortunately we’re running out of season.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 15, 2018 20:59:48 GMT -6
Ive said this before our offense puts up alot of junk numbers that really do not amount to points or wins.. I think I heard Riley for instance went over 7000 yards for his career thats pretty darn good.. Then you look at his record and think how does that happen
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Post by bsutony on Oct 15, 2018 22:17:51 GMT -6
Ive said this before our offense puts up alot of junk numbers that really do not amount to points or wins.. I think I heard Riley for instance went over 7000 yards for his career thats pretty darn good.. Then you look at his record and think how does that happen Having one of the worst defenses in all of FBS during his time here has a lot to do with the record. He isn't without blame, but there are many other factors out of his control. The defense is improved this year, so hopefully they can put together a few more wins. IMO the two main reasons the offense hasn't been as strong as expected are the 2 missing starters on the OLine and the lack of improvement from the young wide receivers. It seems like all the Sophomores on offense have taken a step back from last year. Hopefully Slaven will be back soon to help out the line. I heard he was questionable for CMU so he must be close.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 15, 2018 23:11:50 GMT -6
I agree injuries and a terrible D are part of Rileys win loss problems.. That can not be argued but like you said he is partly to blame also. Its not just him though its a team effort lots of games with great stats just not much to show for it.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 16, 2018 6:25:16 GMT -6
9-22 over the last 3 seasons.
It takes a village to suck this bad.
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