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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 18, 2018 12:31:37 GMT -6
We can talk about everything under the sun but the MAC has been and will always be about QB play and coaches putting a good QB in the right place. If one is off or having a bad day/game it generally ends in a loss. The defense and other position areas will not usually win you any games.. They can help or hurt but ultimately its coaching and QB
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Post by BSUMike on Oct 18, 2018 13:21:54 GMT -6
We can talk about everything under the sun but the MAC has been and will always be about QB play and coaches putting a good QB in the right place. If one is off or having a bad day/game it generally ends in a loss. The defense and other position areas will not usually win you any games.. They can help or hurt but ultimately its coaching and QB QB is definitely the most important position. The reason other positions matter is because they can make the QB better or worse. Defense and special teams can put the offense in good or bad positions. Tom Brady won’t win games if the line doesn’t block, backs don’t run and the receivers don’t catch.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 18, 2018 19:27:58 GMT -6
of course other positions matter but a good quarterback covers alot of warts. O line is probably next most important. Remember when Dante went down. We panicked but then Nate just started throwing johnson who we did not even really know. He also threw to a then freshman briggs orsbon who had his best season. Briggs never had a season like his freshman year. Why? because Nate left
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Post by cardfan on Oct 18, 2018 19:49:35 GMT -6
Exactly. I’m not sure Riley makes guys better like a Nate Davis did. Justin Hall could be a case in point. He put up huge numbers with QBs 2-4 but has struggled to replicate that success with Riley as his qb. (No it’s not all Riley’s fault)
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 18, 2018 20:39:31 GMT -6
Exactly. I’m not sure Riley makes guys better like a Nate Davis did. Justin Hall could be a case in point. He put up huge numbers with QBs 2-4 but has struggled to replicate that success with Riley as his qb. (No it’s not all Riley’s fault) I do wonder if the Neal-Miller connection sometimes comes at the detriment of getting other receivers involved. Certainly Miller rewards Neal because he catches the damn ball, which Hall and others haven't always done. But I still wonder if Hall (and possibly some of the other younger receivers) don't get the attention from the QB because he's so comfortable with the guy he's played with for, what, 7-8 years or more.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 18, 2018 20:52:26 GMT -6
Exactly. I’m not sure Riley makes guys better like a Nate Davis did. Justin Hall could be a case in point. He put up huge numbers with QBs 2-4 but has struggled to replicate that success with Riley as his qb. (No it’s not all Riley’s fault) I do wonder if the Neal-Miller connection sometimes comes at the detriment of getting other receivers involved. Certainly Miller rewards Neal because he catches the damn ball, which Hall and others haven't always done. But I still wonder if Hall (and possibly some of the other younger receivers) don't get the attention from the QB because he's so comfortable with the guy he's played with for, what, 7-8 years or more. Absolutely.
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Post by bsutony on Oct 18, 2018 22:45:18 GMT -6
I'm not sure if this relates to what is being talked about here, but I would like to point out that Lacanaria has the longest streak of catches without a drop among all FBS WRs. He has been really good this year. Probably why Littles hasn't seen much action.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 19, 2018 1:05:49 GMT -6
I'm not sure if this relates to what is being talked about here, but I would like to point out that Lacanaria has the longest streak of catches without a drop among all FBS WRs. He has been really good this year. Probably why Littles hasn't seen much action. I saw that the other day and forgot to mention it. Lac has played really well this year.. Injuries and a sometimes bad attitude limited him his first three/4 years but he has been healthy and seemed to mature this season
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Post by cardfan on Oct 19, 2018 3:07:09 GMT -6
Lacanaria is a good route runner and is getting it done this year. The younger guys aren’t the best technicians so they don’t play. They are talented but haven’t earned playing time, which is pretty disappointing.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 19, 2018 7:03:27 GMT -6
of course other positions matter but a good quarterback covers alot of warts. O line is probably next most important. Remember when Dante went down. We panicked but then Nate just started throwing johnson who we did not even really know. He also threw to a then freshman briggs orsbon who had his best season. Briggs never had a season like his freshman year. Why? because Nate left I'm of the opinion that the O-Line is the single most important part. Don't forget that the 2008 team had three offensive linemen who spent time in the NFL. (Dan Gerberry (6'3" 302 - Lions and Jaguars), Robert Brewster (6' 4" 325 - Cowboys 3rd round pick), and Andre Ramsey (6' 5" 308 - Seahawks 7th round pick. Spent time with Seahawks, Bills, Jets, Ravens, and Dolphins). Without them I'm not convinced Nate Davis would be the legend he is today. I'm certain we would not have gone 12-2.
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Post by david75bsu on Oct 19, 2018 7:14:47 GMT -6
Exactly. I’m not sure Riley makes guys better like a Nate Davis did. Justin Hall could be a case in point. He put up huge numbers with QBs 2-4 but has struggled to replicate that success with Riley as his qb. (No it’s not all Riley’s fault) Riley also has Lacanaria (sp) back, he and Riley Miller have a huge history and Miller has really developed into a good receiver. Hall also has dropped his share of good passes form Riley - that doesn’t help. They are still targeting him, he starts playing like last year and he will be right back where we all want to see him.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 19, 2018 7:26:44 GMT -6
Exactly. I’m not sure Riley makes guys better like a Nate Davis did. Justin Hall could be a case in point. He put up huge numbers with QBs 2-4 but has struggled to replicate that success with Riley as his qb. (No it’s not all Riley’s fault) Riley also has Lacanaria (sp) back, he and Riley Miller have a huge history and Miller has really developed into a good receiver. Hall also has dropped his share of good passes form Riley - that doesn’t help. They are still targeting him, he starts playing like last year and he will be right back where we all want to see him. Hall didn't lose his starting spot because Riley wasn't throwing to him.
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Post by DickHunsaker on Oct 19, 2018 7:42:23 GMT -6
Lacanaria has impressed this year. I remember his first few years were drop heavy
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Post by cardfan on Oct 19, 2018 8:25:47 GMT -6
Riley also has Lacanaria (sp) back, he and Riley Miller have a huge history and Miller has really developed into a good receiver. Hall also has dropped his share of good passes form Riley - that doesn’t help. They are still targeting him, he starts playing like last year and he will be right back where we all want to see him. Hall didn't lose his starting spot because Riley wasn't throwing to him. No Hall did that to himself.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 19, 2018 9:05:15 GMT -6
Hall story/drama has been interesting. He came in with a chip and something to prove. Injuries helped get him massive playing time and he took full advantage of it. He gets a bit to big for his own britches gets lazy on his routes and blocking while Lac is healthy and hungry to have a good final year.. Hall loses his spot and Lac gains some respect.. We need Hall to return to form in the worst way hope he can
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