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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2019 6:12:00 GMT -6
I keep reading about budget woes at the university. Last time I was up there they were trumpeting a record class and expanding everywhere. Which is the true story? Both are true...They can argue the state doesn’t give them enough, but you should live within what you have. Of course that means cutting budgets. Which is what we see. Meaning nobody gets everything they want or might normally get. Hard to justify raising outside money and spending it on FB salaries when you are cutting everything else.
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Post by officerfarva on Jul 23, 2019 6:30:27 GMT -6
I keep reading about budget woes at the university. Last time I was up there they were trumpeting a record class and expanding everywhere. Which is the true story? The number of accepted students was high, but the number of students that actually enrolled was lower than expected. So just thinking out loud here, but I wonder how many students who historically would have gone to BSU are choosing a campus like IUPUI instead? I think that number is higher than anyone would want to believe. I've got a high schooler who's about to start college shopping, and just in speaking with my peers who have kids around the same age or a little older I've been very, very suprised at the number of kids who were accepted to the IU and Purdue main campuses but are opting for IUPUI instead. They've really done a good job raising their profile and attracting competitive students. The college counselors at my kid's high school said they've really upped their admission standards, too. It's not as much of a "safety school" as it once was. Same goes for the Fort Wayne campus (used to be IPFW, now it's just Purdue - Fort Wayne). Those regional city campuses are becoming a real destination. Personally I think it's because Joker's Wild shut down and they moved La Bamba out of the village, but what do I know?
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 23, 2019 7:06:48 GMT -6
The number of accepted students was high, but the number of students that actually enrolled was lower than expected. So just thinking out loud here, but I wonder how many students who historically would have gone to BSU are choosing a campus like IUPUI instead? I think that number is higher than anyone would want to believe. I've got a high schooler who's about to start college shopping, and just in speaking with my peers who have kids around the same age or a little older I've been very, very suprised at the number of kids who were accepted to the IU and Purdue main campuses but are opting for IUPUI instead. They've really done a good job raising their profile and attracting competitive students. The college counselors at my kid's high school said they've really upped their admission standards, too. It's not as much of a "safety school" as it once was. Same goes for the Fort Wayne campus (used to be IPFW, now it's just Purdue - Fort Wayne). Those regional city campuses are becoming a real destination. Personally I think it's because Joker's Wild shut down and they moved La Bamba out of the village, but what do I know? My daughter went to IUPUI. The degree she wanted was not offered at Ball State. I will say, we loved visiting her there, Indy is one great town for people of any age. Beats the heck out of Muncie. For me, I would never be able to think of anywhere but Ball State - of course they did offer the degree I was wanting.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2019 7:21:39 GMT -6
The number of accepted students was high, but the number of students that actually enrolled was lower than expected. So just thinking out loud here, but I wonder how many students who historically would have gone to BSU are choosing a campus like IUPUI instead? ...Those regional city campuses are becoming a real destination. Personally I think it's because Joker's Wild shut down and they moved La Bamba out of the village, but what do I know? Don't think it is the first so much. If there are some who are going to other regional campuses that is offset to large degree by our being the most attractive option to IU. BSU is doing well attracting students who in the past might have gone to IU. BSU doesn't compete directly as much with PU, but we have very good undergrad in Chem and some other areas.
While IUPUI and FW are not quite as much regional campuses as they were, and are higher quality than they were, we have kept pace. Our higher admission standards are probably turning away some who do go now to those schools. That is true.
One of the big goals for BSU now is to "improve diversity" on campus, which means go after underrepresented and minority applicants. Partly that explains why we no longer require SAT/ACT for admission and that is expected to help in the Indy market. A lot of debate as to what it means for quality and graduation rate.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2019 7:31:17 GMT -6
So just thinking out loud here, but I wonder how many students who historically would have gone to BSU are choosing a campus like IUPUI instead? My daughter went to IUPUI. The degree she wanted was not offered at Ball State. I will say, we loved visiting her there, Indy is one great town for people of any age. I can't say going to school downtown, campus, or trying to live off campus nearby there are very attractive. Major availability and admissions standards to some programs along with wanting to stay home and be able to work are probably the biggest advantages for the regional campuses.
Online education where all schools are expanding allows easier employment and does not require a commute to campus. That also makes campus life and housing, both where we are pretty good. less of a factor.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 23, 2019 8:05:23 GMT -6
So just thinking out loud here, but I wonder how many students who historically would have gone to BSU are choosing a campus like IUPUI instead? ...Those regional city campuses are becoming a real destination. Personally I think it's because Joker's Wild shut down and they moved La Bamba out of the village, but what do I know? Don't think it is the first so much. If there are some who are going to other regional campuses that is offset to large degree by our being the most attractive option to IU. BSU is doing well attracting students who in the past might have gone to IU. BSU doesn't compete directly as much with PU, but we have very good undergrad in Chem and some other areas.
While IUPUI and FW are not quite as much regional campuses as they were, and are higher quality than they were, we have kept pace. Our higher admission standards are probably turning away some who do go now to those schools. That is true.
One of the big goals for BSU now is to "improve diversity" on campus, which means go after underrepresented and minority applicants. Partly that explains why we no longer require SAT/ACT for admission and that is expected to help in the Indy market. A lot of debate as to what it means for quality and graduation rate.
It means we're finally admitting that college is a big business, with no real standards. There's also a big push in recruiting international students, who pay full rate. And give us the "diverse" population that any "good" university requires.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2019 9:28:41 GMT -6
One of the big goals for BSU now is to "improve diversity" on campus, which means go after underrepresented and minority applicants. It means we're finally admitting that college is a big business, with no real standards. There's also a big push in recruiting international students, who pay full rate. And give us the "diverse" population that any "good" university requires. Both good points.
The current administration's trade war with China and our high dollar have already reduced success in getting out of state tuition dollars. Enrollment down from China especially is down.
On promoting diversity, I am in general agreement with the idea that diversity improves University education, and having a more well educated population is good public policy, it ought to be a priority in funding. Not just idealism, the reality is a productive economy requires it.
That is a long term benefit but that plus aspect of a good university has real short term costs. The state punishes a school for low 4 year graduation rate while what BSU has always done better is to work with students who need extra time and support to finish a quality education. That formula isn't encouraging quality.
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Post by cardfan on Jul 23, 2019 10:44:53 GMT -6
Yep and now we’re pushing kids through in 4 years cuz the state mandated it and it forces kids to maybe make academic choices not ultimately in their best interests. It’s become assembly line education.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jul 23, 2019 11:06:20 GMT -6
It’s become assembly line education.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 23, 2019 11:36:24 GMT -6
Both good points.
The current administration's trade war with China and our high dollar have already reduced success in getting out of state tuition dollars. Enrollment down from China especially is down.
On promoting diversity, I am in general agreement with the idea that diversity improves University education, and having a more well educated population is good public policy, it ought to be a priority in funding. Not just idealism, the reality is a productive economy requires it.
That is a long term benefit but that plus aspect of a good university has real short term costs. The state punishes a school for low 4 year graduation rate while what BSU has always done better is to work with students who need extra time and support to finish a quality education. That formula isn't encouraging quality.
Tell me, how does "diversity" improve a University education? What measurable advantage does that give the average student? "...having a more well educated population is good public policy..." Oh? Universities aren't the only places to get a good education. Especially when you need plumbers and electricians. But universities are great places if you want to browbeat and shame impressionable kids to toe the liberal agenda line.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 23, 2019 11:41:53 GMT -6
So Alan,
What you've missed, in a nutshell, is that sweep is still a dick, Sherman is still a football denier, 00hmh has written 8000 multi page essays, Calhoun is still drunk, and I'm still awesome.
I hope that catches you up.
You're welcome.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 23, 2019 12:28:05 GMT -6
Both good points...On promoting diversity, I am in general agreement with the idea that diversity improves University education, and having a more well educated population is good public policy... Tell me, how does "diversity" improve a University education? What measurable advantage does that give the average student? "...having a more well educated population is good public policy..." Oh? Universities aren't the only places to get a good education. Especially when you need plumbers and electricians. But universities are great places if you want to browbeat and shame impressionable... True enough we need plumbers and electricians. True college isn't for everyeone. But. More people need more education than ever before. The economy is not friendly to those who aren't educated and those with education adapt to change and can be retrained more easily. Diversity at the University gives the average student better ability to understand, to communicate and collaborate with a diverse population, something no one can avoid. Living and learning without significant contact with that new reality and without addressing it, without experience and learning how things work and change is the real danger to impressionable youth.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 23, 2019 13:20:41 GMT -6
Diversity at the University gives the average student better ability to understand, to communicate and collaborate with a diverse population, something no one can avoid. Which is why I asked for something measurable, instead of touchy-feely speculation.
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Post by ice on Jul 23, 2019 13:40:20 GMT -6
Isn't he down to 2 seasons on his contract? Could we really not afford to buy out the last one? I learned everything I needed to know about Mike Neu when he chose to punt on 4th and 2 from midfield in the final minutes of a season-ending loss at Miami. Literally nothing to lose, nothing on the line, down by 2 points, and he punted. A winning coach goes for the win there, or at the very least, goes for the 2 yards. Mike Neu is not a winner. It was just a show of confidence for that vaunted Ball State defense.
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Post by lmills72 on Jul 23, 2019 15:00:06 GMT -6
The economy is not friendly to those who aren't educated and those with education adapt to change and can be retrained more easily. I feel pretty safe in saying that the economy will likely be much friendlier to plumbers and electricians than it will be to a decent number of BSU graduates. And that the careers of the folks in those trades will be much more stable during their working years.
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