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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Aug 5, 2019 7:27:57 GMT -6
Whit's influence has touched him. Whit's encouraged him to only practice his half-court shot to create more space for Teague's 3 pointers.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 5, 2019 8:03:34 GMT -6
I’d say Cardfan is pretty accurate. I will say I believe we will play Teague-Hendricks in the post! I believe we will get more consistent performance from this position than in the past. And, we are definitely deeper! These are the areas we may have improved.
Acree will benefit from simply playing...very athletic but a bit rusty.
Thomas in my view has the highest ceiling of any player on the team!
I believe we are improved...the question is by how much?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2019 8:28:01 GMT -6
Not writing them off, just saying we’re not sure anything has changed. Which is what happens when you recruit the same player every year. In Hoping these kids can overcome the flaws and do big things this year. Shooting in the past (except Teague!) not such a question mark really. Fatal late last year though. Especially when Mallers shot went AWOL. Not to mention losing 2 guards who could shoot in one year. I agree about guard problems which create TO problems, but that was excaerbated when we lost those 2 guards in one season for discipline. And Persons and how we used him was a mixed situation. We may have solved problems more persistent with depth and athleticism. That is way different.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2019 8:31:33 GMT -6
Disagree that we are recruiting same kid every year. Where we recruit versatile players who play multiple positions instead of classic 12345 pigeon holes I am good with that. And we have now had a center recruited 2 classes in a row...
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2019 8:40:10 GMT -6
It’s okay while I’m largely positive I did note some areas where we’ll need to improve namely ball handling or reducing turnovers.... 1. Teague 2. Hazen 3. Mallers 4. Walton 5. Josh 6. Ish 7. Thomas 8. Hendricks 9. Bumbalough 10. Kroft 11. Gunn 12. Acree 13. Huggins No rating Coleman? You saw a lot of basketball, thanks for info!
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 5, 2019 10:20:12 GMT -6
Coleman showed well! He will play the # 2 and some at PG. He’s 9/10
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Post by cardfan on Aug 5, 2019 10:27:53 GMT -6
Coleman will turn out to be one of those steady but unspectacular guys. You need that type. But need studs around him
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 5, 2019 11:04:43 GMT -6
It’s okay while I’m largely positive I did note some areas where we’ll need to improve namely ball handling or reducing turnovers. I’m also a bit concerned if we can score adequately from the PG position. I’m also concerned if we can out rebound most teams...we can if we play with a high motor which includes Teague! He must bring it every night for our team to play to its potential. The key will be some of our rotations where I believe we will go 10 deep. My forced ranking is: 1. Teague 2. Hazen 3. Mallers 4. Walton 5. Josh 6. Ish 7. Thomas 8. Hendricks 9. Bumbalough 10. Kroft 11. Gunn 12. Acree 13. Huggins Acree has talent but hasn’t played a lot after the ACL injury last year; I’d probably Red Shirt him.
Not that I put a lot of weight on Kid's analysis, but if that ranking is remotely accurate, the upcoming season will be ugly. Very ugly. When you are an 11th place team that's lost its primary scorer and most reliable big, you need at least some of your newcomers to be better than your returners. One or more of your newcomers has to be a serious impact player and not just depth. You all better hope this is just Kid being characteristically confused.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2019 11:23:11 GMT -6
Kinda depends on where kid is optimistic most. Hard to believe after his report that he is pessimistic about the newcomers. He offered some positives about all of them. Yet he rates them below the vets as you observed. Most optimistic reading is he thinks everyone improved and if he really likes the returning players improvement it's possible the new players really are better than last year's version of these same players. Factor in his optimism, but assume we have 10 fairly good players. There objectively is a plus the new players add in terms of athleticism and depth. And if we have 10 players of feven moderately high quality opposed to the smaller number of players, many not playing very well at last season's end.
I just don't know, we will have to see whether the team is better. That seems likely to be true. But how much is not clear.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 5, 2019 12:19:22 GMT -6
Coleman will turn out to be one of those steady but unspectacular guys. You need that type. But need studs around him I agree about unspectacular and steady. But steady and unspectacular looks better than the uniformly poor play we had from the bench late last year! As opposed to having to go to Josh with no offense at all or an undersized Gunn as our only front court reserve and having no choice if he isn't hitting his shot. We have better choices.
Unfortunately, I also agree we don't now see a star or clear mainstay. Whether we have a player or two who can have that big game almost has to be up to the returning players improving. Teague, Ish, KJ seem the most likely chance to have standout games. Hazen and Mallers don't seem to have that extra gear to have a huge game, unless they somehow have the rare game they are on fire shooting.
Even without a star I like the probable improvement in depth. Having 2 big guys who might be able to defend and rebound, decent minutes from the freshmen who shot reasonably in Costa Rica, an athlete in Thomas who is high energy. All that's something we did not have.
I'm also not quite as sure as Sherm seems to be about what we lost from seniors. They made our play very predictable. While Trey and Persons could have used a little more steady and unspectacular on the court with them, they were not such stars who had to be neutralized with a double team. Not great senior years, did not play up to their potential. If we can put 4 or 5 guys out there who have scoring potential we can be better.
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 5, 2019 12:34:08 GMT -6
Overly positive...sometimes!! Confused..never!!
I also do not agree at all that a team that lost several games by a few points can’t be markedly better with so many returnees...there is the such thing General as improvement.
This was my forced ranking and I expect many newcomers to move up by seasons end including Thomas who is likely the best Redshirt or newcomer.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 5, 2019 13:52:44 GMT -6
When college players make a big jump, it's usually between a true freshman year and sophomore year. You can optimistically hope for a big jump from kids during that summer. After that, hopes for a big jump are more often just wishful thinking. None of Kid's top six fall in that category. You are largely looking at guys who are going on their fourth or even fifth year in college. It's just very rare to see significant improvement at that point.
Kid has inadvertently made an extremely pessimistic post with that ranking.
I always, always hope for newcomers to be starters over returnees....especially over returning starters. Then you know you have upgraded your talent level. If instead, you are hoping your returning role players and depth will become stars....you're probably in trouble. Especially if your team was bad the previous year.
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Post by redfeather on Aug 5, 2019 14:17:01 GMT -6
It’s okay while I’m largely positive I did note some areas where we’ll need to improve namely ball handling or reducing turnovers. I’m also a bit concerned if we can score adequately from the PG position. I’m also concerned if we can out rebound most teams...we can if we play with a high motor which includes Teague! He must bring it every night for our team to play to its potential. The key will be some of our rotations where I believe we will go 10 deep. My forced ranking is: 1. Teague 2. Hazen 3. Mallers 4. Walton 5. Josh 6. Ish 7. Thomas 8. Hendricks 9. Bumbalough 10. Kroft 11. Gunn 12. Acree 13. Huggins Acree has talent but hasn’t played a lot after the ACL injury last year; I’d probably Red Shirt him. The biggest disappointment I see in Kid's ranking is Gunn! Wow, he' now going to be a junior and this is the level he as ascended to? I was really hoping, wishing that reality would set in with him and he would realize he's not "all there is and then some" and work at becoming a better all around player rather than just a mediocre, at best, 3 point shooter and contribute at a higher level. If Kid's rankings are anywhere close to being accurate then I consider this a wasted scholarship.
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Post by sweep on Aug 5, 2019 14:17:14 GMT -6
Would someone remind me again why we redshirted Huggins and Coleman if they are guys we are going to recruit over every year.
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Post by sweep on Aug 5, 2019 14:24:44 GMT -6
It’s okay while I’m largely positive I did note some areas where we’ll need to improve namely ball handling or reducing turnovers. I’m also a bit concerned if we can score adequately from the PG position. I’m also concerned if we can out rebound most teams...we can if we play with a high motor which includes Teague! He must bring it every night for our team to play to its potential. The key will be some of our rotations where I believe we will go 10 deep. My forced ranking is: 1. Teague 2. Hazen 3. Mallers 4. Walton 5. Josh 6. Ish 7. Thomas 8. Hendricks 9. Bumbalough 10. Kroft 11. Gunn 12. Acree 13. Huggins Acree has talent but hasn’t played a lot after the ACL injury last year; I’d probably Red Shirt him. The biggest disappointment I see in Kid's ranking is Gunn! Wow, he' now going to be a junior and this is the level he as ascended to? I was really hoping, wishing that reality would set in with him and he would realize he's not "all there is and then some" and work at becoming a better all around player rather than just a mediocre, at best, 3 point shooter and contribute at a higher level. If Kid's rankings are anywhere close to being accurate then I consider this a wasted shollardship. Yeah especially since the Kid had this to say in DEC 2017 : "I’d say Gunn will be an All Mac performer before he’s done"
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