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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 14:17:22 GMT -6
No. Where did I say that? I do think he commands more $$$ though and that the potential will be there for him to leave. It was clearly implied. You stated the price would go up after he wins a championship or takes a team bowling. The only way the price goes up is if Neu is willing to leave. There's no need to pay him more if he's not going anywhere. Sure, it's nice to reward coaches for jobs well done, but for all that Neu may have done for the university, the university has done plenty for him. My god, how many administrations would have put up with the long list of coaching mistakes he's made while learning on the job how to be a head coach. If he's marketable at all to other schools as a head coach after this season, he should bend over backward to thank Ball State for being patient with him. I never implied I was " ABSOLUTELY SURE" on anything. It is all a gamble. How can anyone predict with ABSOLUTE certainty what someone else may or may not do? Don't put words in my mouth.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 20, 2019 14:35:00 GMT -6
I really like Mike, but historical impact? Wow.
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 20, 2019 14:37:40 GMT -6
I never implied I was " ABSOLUTELY SURE" on anything. It is all a gamble. How can anyone predict with ABSOLUTE certainty what someone else may or may not do? Don't put words in my mouth. You clearly stated there would be a difference in what we could sign Neu for now vs. what it might take to sign him after the finish of a successful season. Why would there be a difference?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 20, 2019 15:07:33 GMT -6
This is all opinion and none of what we think matters because none of us have the pull to effect any extension. The one and only reason I am for extending right now is because I feel like its going to happen either way no matter how we feel. IMO this lame dack status is killing recruiting for this year and maybe next. one or two bad classes on the surface may be an acceptable risk but these bad classes will effect depth and hurt us in future years. Does not matter who the coach might be look at what 3 bad classses in a row did under Lembo. This year is the first year we have been able to dig out of that mess. Based on results I would not give him anything more than two years and any raise would minor if even at all. You can always say Mike we like the direction so we are going to offer you a two year contract extension right now for the exact same numbers. If this season continues to go well we will sit down and renegotiate this extension. If he rolls the dice and does not accept the 2 years now he is risking the alternative which would be getting fired if the wheels fall off. The AD gambles but the gamble is only 2 years
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 20, 2019 15:09:12 GMT -6
I really like Mike, but historical impact? Wow. Yea I agreed with a lot of his post but I am not seeing anything historical going on
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 20, 2019 15:57:43 GMT -6
Did he say hysterical? That is more common on the board.
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 16:11:46 GMT -6
I really like Mike, but historical impact? Wow. Yea I agreed with a lot of his post but I am not seeing anything historical going on It's subjective.
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 16:12:24 GMT -6
Did he say hysterical? That is more common on the board. HISTORICAL.... there hope that helps
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 16:14:33 GMT -6
I never implied I was " ABSOLUTELY SURE" on anything. It is all a gamble. How can anyone predict with ABSOLUTE certainty what someone else may or may not do? Don't put words in my mouth. You clearly stated there would be a difference in what we could sign Neu for now vs. what it might take to sign him after the finish of a successful season. Why would there be a difference? Yes and I stand by that, with both the option of him leaving or staying. I believe the discussion starts at a much lower salary number now than after the season if he has some major success this year.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 20, 2019 16:20:44 GMT -6
Here is the another part we have not mentioned in a while. A coach is typically given a 5 year contract so in that coaches 5th year his first full class are seniors or redshirt juniorss. This is Neus fourth year so his first full class are now Jr's or rssoph's. Up until this year we have relying on either really young Neu recruits or left over Lembo scrubs. This is the first year where the lembo handprint is no longer significantly on the program. This also includes the departure of Riley which is now looking even more like a failed QB situation. So maybe this is just the natural progression of Nues Ball State program
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Post by chirpchirpnation on Oct 20, 2019 16:29:33 GMT -6
Here is the another part we have not mentioned in a while. A coach is typically given a 5 year contract so in that coaches 5th year his first full class are seniors or redshirt juniorss. This is Neus fourth year so his first full class are now Jr's or rssoph's. Up until this year we have relying on either really young Neu recruits or left over Lembo scrubs. This is the first year where the lembo handprint is no longer significantly on the program. This also includes the departure of Riley which is now looking even more like a failed QB situation. So maybe this is just the natural progression of Nues Ball State program I was thinking the same thing. Some don’t truly realize how bare Lembo left the cupboards.
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 16:30:38 GMT -6
I really like Mike, but historical impact? Wow. My opinion. At least I put it out there. Historical in what he has done, to repeat a few things from earlier: Operate in a dysfunctional environment with historical levels of executive turnover. I can't think of another BSU football coach who has had to deal with this level of turn over. It matters.
Build up the infrastructure. Long lasting, historical infrastructure, this isn't a new Gatorade cooler . He got it over the line on his watch. Everyone has tried.
Develop creative lines of revenue. Overcome historical and passionate resistance to serving alcohol. Revenue from the alcohol plus increased ticket sales. I'm not saying he hit the lottery here, but c'mon - give some credit.
Took the number 8 team in the Country to the last minute on national TV. My coworkers in Israel were talking about it, and lets just say they aren't die hard football fans. What else compares to this? There has been some nice games, but none with this historic level of exposure that I'm aware of.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 20, 2019 16:34:54 GMT -6
Let’s let mike actually win a championship before we consider anything historical. Hell, if we finally win a bowl game under Mike THAT would be historical.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Oct 20, 2019 16:35:53 GMT -6
Historical impact? The guy is 14-29. His biggest games are a fairly close loss to ND and wins against fellow MAC opponents NIU and Toledo. If I told this to someone outside of the program, I suspect I'd get a puzzled look.
I do believe he's turned the corner and I don't think he needs to thank BSU for anything. BSU didn't want to pay a salary to coach they no longer had. It is BSU we are talking about. It's a win-win for both. It's not like it cost BSU any cache (George Costanza) by keeping him around as long as they did.
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Post by cardcat on Oct 20, 2019 16:44:42 GMT -6
Historical impact? The guy is 14-29. His biggest games are a fairly close loss to ND and wins against fellow MAC opponents NIU and Toledo. If I told this to someone outside of the program, I suspect I'd get a puzzled look. Well OK great, let these folks run our program then. I hate puzzled faces, can't stand them really. Anything to avoid this situation is acceptable. Who give a shXt? There is way more going on than just his w-l's to consider. Momentum matters, recruiting matters, timing matters. Who else could have done better with the same cards this staff was dealt? I love how all the boo birds pick up on "historic". Maybe a stretch, but I can argue it all day long.
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